Jay 39,596 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 CATCH ME IF YOU CANComplete Cue Sheet & CD Analysis by James LuckardSomething to know at the start, basically the whole film score could be called unreleased, because none of the tracks on the soundtrack is the original film version. The album is clearly a re-recording, with one entire track and parts of two other tracks matching up to what is heard in the film. The other tracks are often vastly different. See my notes at the bottom for specifics. There are also a few concert suites. It is possible to construct your own album that roughly approximates the film order, but there?s no hope of matching the film exactly ? it ain?t gonna happen.COMPLETE CUE LISTTitleLengthAvailabilityDVD Timing1Catch Me If You Can2:39CD Track 0100:24 ? 03:042Father and Son2:35Unreleased15:59 ? 18:343Divorce2:17Unreleased26:43 ? 29:004Learning The Ropes Part 13:32Unreleased29:25 ? 32:575Learning The Ropes Part 23:35Unreleased35:01 ? 38:366Deadheading1:00CD Track 11a39:55 ? 40:557The Prettiest Clerk0:31Unreleased41:20 ? 41:518The ?Float?0:50Unreleased42:08 ? 42:589Room 2011:13Unreleased51:36 ? 52:4910Wallet Full of Labels0:48Unreleased55:02 ? 55:5011No One Else To Call0:44Unreleased1:05:45 ? 1:06:2712The Flash Comics Clue0:49Unreleased1:06:58 ? 1:07:4713The Yearbook Photo0:35Unreleased1:09:21 ? 1:09:5615Frank Conners, M.D.1:55CD Track 14b1:13:17 ? 1:15:2216Atlanta, Georgia0:49Unreleased1:19:19 ? 1:20:0817Engaged To A Lawyer/Empty Apartment1:06Unreleased1:21:13 ? 1:22:1918Raiding Frank?s Office0:28Unreleased1:25:01 ? 1:25:2919Assistant Prosecutor1:43Unreleased1:28:48 ? 1:30:3120?Ask Me To Stop!?0:26Unreleased1:35:35 ? 1:36:0121Leaving Brenda/The Airport Scene3:42Unreleased1:42:02 ? 1:45:4422Covering Miami Airport0:19Unreleased 1:46:22 ? 1:46:4123?You Let Him Get Away?1:43Unreleased1:50:30 ? 1:52:1324?Your Father Is Dead?0:55Unreleased1:59:01 ? 1:59:5625Frank Spots A Fake0:17Unreleased2:05:14 ? 2:05:3126?Welcome to the F.B.I.?2:04Unreleased2:07:05 ? 2:09:0927Captured0:34Unreleased2:10:11 ? 2:10:4528Monday Morning1:24Unreleased2:12:22 ? 2:13:4629End Credits6:12Unreleased2:14:22 ? 2:20:34ALTERNATE VERSIONSCatch Me If You Can2:42CD Track 01The Airport Scene0:50CD Track 05 (0:45 ? 1:35)Learning The Ropes Part 13:21CD Track 07 (0:00 ? 3:21)Learning The Ropes Part 23:13CD Track 07 (5:31 ? end)Father and Son2:05CD Track 08 (0:00 ? 2:05)The Flash Comics Clue0:48CD Track 10 (0:00 ? 0:48)Leaving Brenda1:23CD Track 11 (1:02 ? end)?Welcome To The F.B.I.?1:50CD Track 13 (0:00 ? 1:50)Assistant Prosecutor1:02CD Track 14 (0:00 ? 1:02)End Titles5:14CD Track 16CONCERT ARRANGEMENTSThe ?Float?4:56CD Track 02Recollections (The Father?s Theme)5:16CD Track 04NOT IN FILMThe Airport Scene (extended intro)0:45CD Track 05 (0:00 ? 0:45)The Airport Scene (extended end)0:48CD Track 05 (1:35 ? end)Learning The Ropes (unused bit)2:10CD Track 07 (3:21 ? 5:31)Father and Son (extended end)1:10CD Track 08 (2:05 ? end)Unknown1:23CD Track 10 (0:48 ? end)?Welcome To The F.B.I.? (extended end)2:36CD Track 13 (1:50 ? end)ALBUM IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDERIt?s possible to make an album that represents the film score quite well. I left unknown music where it was and put the concert suites where they could represent similar pieces of score that aren?t on the album. I also added a couple of additional pop songs where they appear in the film. They are in italics. Obviously some Williams fans may wish to do the opposite and leave the pop songs off entirely. Your choice.01. Catch Me If You Can2:42CD Track 0102. Judy Garland/Embraceable You2:50CD Track 0903. Father and Son3:15CD Track 0804. Learning The Ropes8:44CD Track 0705. Deadheading1:04CD Track 11 (0:00-1:04)06. The ?Float?4:56CD Track 0207. Getz & Gilberto/The Girl From Ipanema5:15CD Track 0608. John Barry Orchestra/The James Bond Theme1:46Dr. No Soundtrack Track 0109. Dusty Springfield/The Look of Love3:31CD Track 1510. Bing Crosby/Mele Kalikimaka2:5211. The Chiffons/He?s So Fine1:5712. The Flash Comics Clue1:47CD Track 1013. The Kinks/You Really Got Me2:1514. Doctor, Lawyer, Lutheran *3:12CD Track 1415. Leaving Brenda1:21CD Track 11 (1:04-end)16. The Airport Scene2:27CD Track 0517. Frank Sinatra/Come Fly With Me3:19CD Track 0318. Recollections (The Father?s Theme)5:16CD Track 0419. Nat King Cole/The Christmas Song3:11CD Track 1220. ?Welcome To The F.B.I.?4:26CD Track 1321. End Credits5:14CD Track 16 *This track could be split at the 1:02 mark into Frank Conners, M.D. (second half) and Assistant Prosecutor (first half), if you really want your CD in total film order, but it doesn?t sound nearly as good that way.Recommended CD listening order: 1, 9, 8, 7, 11, 2, 6, 15, 10, 14, 5, 3, 4, 12, 13, 16Notes on Album TracksTrack 1 ? Catch Me If You Can (2:42)In the film a few extra finger snaps are added into the otherwise identical main title between 2:14 and 2:24 Track 2 ? The ?Float? (4:56)A concert arrangement of the ?crime? themeTrack 4 ? Recollections (The Father?s Theme) (5:16)A concert arrangement of the theme used for failure, connected to Frank?s dad at the beginning of the film, and Frank himself near the film?s end.Track 5 ? The Airport Scene (2:23)(0:00 ? 0:45) Not in film ? extended intro(0:45 ? 1:35) Film cue ? reworked alternate version(1:35 ? end) Alternate end to film cue, still matches the timing of the film.Track 7 ? Learning The Ropes (8:44)(0:00 ? 3:21) Learning The Ropes Part 1 ? alternate version. There is more exuberant music for the moment when Frank first sees the airline pilot and stewardesses getting out of a cab. (3:21 ? 5:31) Unused portion of this cue, meant for the middle of the Learning The Ropes sequence, where Frank poses as a high school newspaper reporter to interview a Pan Am spokesman, then gets fitted for a pilot?s uniform. These scenes were left unscored in the final film. (5:31 ? end) Learning The Ropes Part 2 ? alternate version. Leaves off the last thirty seconds of the film version.Track 8 ? Father and Son (3:15)(0:00 ? 2:05) Film cue - alternate version (2:05 ? end) Not in film ? extended endTrack 10 ? The Flash Comics Clue (1:47)(0:00 ? 0:48) Film cue - alternate version (0:48 ? end) Not in film - unknownTrack 11 ? Deadheading (2:25)(0:00 ? 1:02) Deadheading ? film version(1:02 ? end) Leaving Brenda ? alternate versionTrack 13 ? A Broken Home (4:26)A totally misleading title. This music is not from the scene the title would suggest, where Frank?s parents get divorced and he must pick with whom he wants to live.(0:00 ? 1:50) ?Welcome To The F.B.I.? ? alternate version(1:50 ? end) Not in film ? extended endTrack 14 ? Doctor, Lawyer, Lutheran (3:12)(0:00 ? 1:02) Assistant Prosecutor ? alternate version(1:02 ? end) Frank Conners, M.D. ? film versionTrack 16 ? Catch Me If You Can (Reprise and End Credits) (5:14)End credits ? alternate, shorter version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,596 Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 Just wanted to clarify that I didn't do this analysis, it was done by James Luckard (username: jamesluckard)I merely converted his original word document into HTML for the MBSee his original thread hereLets all thank James for his hard work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesluckard 80 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Jason,Thanks so much for all of your own work in making this file viewable by all.James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 566 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Cool.I'm surprised to see the album is so messed up chronologically. I had expected at least some logic in the sequencing.- Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 155 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Great job.I didn't know the cues for the album were rerecordings. I thought they didn't do that anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McCallister 0 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I'm sorry, but am I the only one who disagrees with a good deal of this list?First of all, how is it known that all the music on the album was re-recorded? I was also under the impression that this wasn't done anymore.Also, there are several times when "Father And Son" is tracked in the film, and isn't another cue - Father and Son, No One Else To Call and Divorce. Divorce is also tracked with part of "Recollections" at the end of it. "Ask Me To Stop" is also tracked from "Recollections"."Captured" and "You Let Him Get Away" also seem to be the same track, both unreleased, but the same cue. The End Credits are tracked as well I believe."Learning the Ropes" is confusing, as it is only that brief portion at 3:21 that sounds different from the film."A Broken Home" is tracked in two of the above cues - Your Father is Dead and the first half of Welcome to the F.B.I.Just my takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesluckard 80 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Okay, I should have made this clearer. The reason I say that the whole album is a re-recording is that, although the tracks that match up to the film cues are approximate, the timing is subtly different. I played the DVD, while listening to the soundtrack album on my Discman. Although most of the pieces of music are nearly identical, there are always differences. Specific instruments come in a second or two later or earlier, and instrumentation varies slightly from the film versions.The only two cues that are represented absolutely identically on the album are Deadheading and Frank Connors, M.D.As for re-recording for albums not being common anymore, when I saw John Williams at the Kennedy Center last year, someone asked him about this at the Q&A session, and he said that he likes to re-record his scores for the albums still. He wants to reimagine the listening experience, since there's no sound f/x or dialogue to compete with. I'm paraphrasing, of course, but that was the gist of it. I think you'll find that portions of the A.I. and Minority Report albums are re-recordings as well. You're welcome to disagree with me, but I think if you do what I did and listen to the film score and the album versions simultaneously, you'll find that they simply don't match at all. (I should point out that I am watching the DVD on a Region 1 NTSC system, so there is not the 4% speed-up that afflicts PAL movie viewing. The film is running at just about exactly the speed it did in theaters.)When you say that only the middle of Learning The Ropes is different, I think you must have missed my descriptions of the differences between the film versions and the album track. The pacing of this track is also, like almost all the others, a bit different.Sorry if any of this sounds unpleasant. I'm sure you want only to help in pointing things out, it's just that I spent a great deal of time listening to this music, over and over, and the differences were very clear to me.As for the other questions you brought up, I'll take a look at those tiomorrow. I never considered "Reflections" when I was looking for film cues on the album, because Spielberg specifically calls it a concert piece in the liner notes, but it's entirely possible I missed some things there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,596 Posted September 7, 2004 Author Share Posted September 7, 2004 One of the reasons the "timing" could be different is that you were playing the cd on a discman. Every cd player in the world plays cds at subtley different speeds (especially battery-operated ones). The only way to play a cd at its accurate speed (and therefore potentially line it up with the movie) is to rip it to your hard drive and play the WAV files that way.I'm not saying that the album isn't a re-recording, just that perhaps some of the differences in timing were caused by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesluckard 80 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Well, if people just don't want to agree, that's fine, free country and all.However, as I said, the differences were not tiny, they were often a full second or two. Literally. Sometimes even more. And the mismatches would be early and then late on the same piece sometimes. I can't believe any CD player would be able to play at such off speeds. And the differences were not just in the timing, but in instrumentation and the very playing of the instruments as well. These were noticable differences.I wouldn't consider anything but word from people who worked on the recordings themselves to be definitive, but these facts, coupled with the very clear answer given by John Williams at the concert I went to, are enough for me at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 Great work on the list, James. I just listened to the score again in order and it sounded great.I was surprised when you said the album was mostly rerecordings, but I believe you. I know that once you do a list like this, you get to know the music better than anybody else, and perhaps better than anyone might ever desire to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bespinGPT 8,818 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Sorry, I just waked up on this news. Maybe other people missed the info too... For the need of my discography, is it really a "re-recording" or is it like the case of E.T., where the album is "Mainly featuring concert arrangements based on the film's music, but this is not a re-recording." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,596 Posted August 1, 2017 Author Share Posted August 1, 2017 I think he was simply wrong, and its not a complete rerecording at all. The album simply used some different takes than the film did. jamesluckard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bespinGPT 8,818 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Experts, please state on this. All the re-recordings and the special case of E.T. are documented in my discography (search for the keyword "re-recording" in the albums page). If Catch Me if You Can is a special case, I want to know, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,596 Posted August 1, 2017 Author Share Posted August 1, 2017 I'm not an expert? I see how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bespinGPT 8,818 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I just want others advice. Start by removing the eroneous information from your website and your forum, if you want to help. This topic starts with "The album is clearly a re-recording". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,596 Posted August 1, 2017 Author Share Posted August 1, 2017 Oh give me a break. Like you've never made a mistake before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 10 hours ago, Bespin said: Sorry, I just waked up on this news. Maybe other people missed the info too... For the need of my discography, is it really a "re-recording" or is it like the case of E.T., where the album is "Mainly featuring concert arrangements based on the film's music, but this is not a re-recording." Wouldn't it be more likely that this was the case, @Jay? Not that I'm pointing fingers or anything, I wouldn't have a clue where as to the true nature of the album.... It would be like Williams releasing the HP1 album, but it's only the Children's Suite. Not entirely a re-recording, but arrangements recorded at the same time as the sessions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,817 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Arpy said: Wouldn't it be more likely that this was the case, @Jay? Not that I'm pointing fingers or anything, I wouldn't have a clue where as to the true nature of the album.... It would be like Williams releasing the HP1 album, but it's only the Children's Suite. Not entirely a re-recording, but arrangements recorded at the same time as the sessions? The most curious thing is that the HP1 album is a hybrid between the two, Children's Suite material edited into the film cues and presented independently but not the whole suite. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Yes, it's strange but it was 2001, only a year before Catch Me If You Can. Williams possibly thought the suites were more important than the underscore as he usually does, but the excision of Entry to the Great Hall, The Dark Forest and just about everything else is unforgiveable!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bespinGPT 8,818 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 The albums of John Williams often have been a wise mix between score cues and suites. But in the Case if catch me if you can, if we only speak about the use of different takes, there's nothing more to say. The subject poped out in another thread and the info found on the first post of this one may leads to false assumptions. If one day Mike Matessino revisit the score, I guess he will privilegiate the movie takes and add the album ones in bonus, only if they are very different, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,817 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 57 minutes ago, Arpy said: Yes, it's strange but it was 2001, only a year before Catch Me If You Can. Williams possibly thought the suites were more important than the underscore as he usually does, but the excision of Entry to the Great Hall, The Dark Forest and just about everything else is unforgiveable!! Williams has always been very conscious of his album programming, perhaps even more than your average film composer, which is shown by the countless concert arrangements found on his OSTs. They often work as a sort of thematic "road map" to the score and also provide additional strength to the listening experience of the score as pure music. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Indeed, although it's a crying shame to have such brilliant music omitted, making people wait decades for a proper release! crumbs and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,817 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 14 minutes ago, Arpy said: Indeed, although it's a crying shame to have such brilliant music omitted, making people wait decades for a proper release! Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,259 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Still, you've got to respect the composer's wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,617 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Huh, I was literally just reading this thread and now it gets bumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,259 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Life is full of "coincidences". bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,891 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Do you know something we don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,259 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Probably, but not on this topic. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just waiting for the expanded set to come along. Any decade now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,259 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just keep refreshing this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Legend has it that refreshing the thread the number of times of the year the score was released has a higher chance of an expansion being released. I haven't made it to 2002 yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,259 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 The important thing is that you have a meaningful hobby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 A JWFan is never without a meaningful hobby. I've got to get back to watching reruns of Family Guy until I cry myself to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,259 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 😱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jamesluckard 80 Posted November 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2023 Wow, 20 years later (hard to believe) and I just saw Jay's breakdown of the album from Nov 2022, after the cue sheets leaked. I'm shocked by how far off I was on some things, partly because I never imagined the actual film cues would be sliced and diced this much on the album, and partly because I had seen John Williams speak, only months earlier, at a concert, about re-recording portions of his scores for his albums, so I assumed that's what this album was. At least I got a few things right. I'm quoting Jay's album breakdown here, so it's in a convenient place to clarify all the mistakes I made in 2004. Hopefully someone can edit the page on the main website with my now-wildly-outdated 2004 info: https://jwfan.com/?p=3567 Catch Me If You Can 01 Catch Me If You Can Closing In w/ Insert and New Ending 02 The Float 0:00-0:45 = 7M4 Front Extension 0:45-3:43 = 7M4 Frank and Carl [bars 11-28,41-169] 3:43-4:23 = 7M4 End Extension [bars 1-34] 4:34-end = 7M4 Frank and Carl [bars 191-192,195-end] 04 Recollections Reflections 05 The Airport Scene 0:00-0:41 = 4M5 F.B.I. Net 0:41-end = 5M9 The Airport Scene [bars 8-end] 07 Learning The Ropes 0:00-2:24 = 2M4 Learning the Ropes [bars 1-52, 55-72, 75-90] 2:24–2:42 = 2M4 Stewardess Insert 2:42–6:03 = 2M4 Learning the Ropes [bars 104-176, 179-254] 6:03–end = 2M4A Learning the Ropes Part II 08 Father And Son 0:00–2:03 = 1M3 Father and Son [bars 1-21,24-35] 2:03–end = 5M5 Let’s Call a Truce 10 The Flash Comics Clue 0:00–0:47 = 4M1alt. Flash Comics 0:47–1:32 = 6M9 Catch Me [bars 26-49,57-64] 1:32–end = Closing In [bars 65-72] 11 Deadheading 0:00–1:01 = 2M5 Deadhead 1:01-end = 5M8 Up the Staircase 13 A Broken Home 0:00–1:51 = 7M1 First Day at Work [bars 1-30] 1:51–2:06 = 6M5 Consulting the Penner Bros. [bars 19-23] 2:06-end = 2M3 The Divorce Scene 14 Doctor, Lawyer, Lutheran 0:00–1:02 = 5M1 Self-Made Lawyer [bars 1-34, 43-53] 1:02–end = 4M4 I’m a Doctor Track 16 Catch Me If You Can (Reprise and End Credits) 0:00–2:31 = 7M4 Frank and Carl [1-83, 165-192, 195-end] 2:31–end = Closing In w/ Insert and New Ending And here's the cue sheet I found online, to match up with the tracks in Jay's breakdown above: Catch Me If You Can (2002) - John Williams Closing In Closing In Insert 1m3 Father and Son 2m3 The Divorce Scene 2m4 Learning the Ropes 2m4Insert #2 2m4Insert Stewardness Insert 2m4A Learning the Ropes Part II 2m5 Dead Head 2m6 Picking a Bank Teller 2m7 The Float 3m5Alt Hanratty Closes In 3m6 Hanratty Tricked 4m1Alt Flash Comics 4m2Alt Yearbook 4m2 School Yearbook 4m4 I'm a Doctor 4m5Alt Protective Father 4m5 F.B.I. Net 4m6 Permission to Marry 4m7Alt F.B.I. Guns, Insert 4m7 F.B.I. Guns 5m1 Self Made Lawyer 5m5 Let's Call a Truce 5m8 The Staircase 5m9 The Airport Scene 5m9Insert Brenda Insert 6m1 Hanratty At Work 6m1Alt Covering the Airport 6m5 Consulting the Penner Bros 6m9 Catch Me 7m1 First Day At Work 7m2 The Lure of the Past 7m3 Frank Comes Back! 7m4 Frank and Carl fommes, BrotherSound and enderdrag64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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