Except for "Prologue," which are your Top 3 tracks on the Hook OS album?

[Maurizio 6,909]

I saw the handwritten conductor's score of Hook and the piece was titled "Yuppie Sounds".

Quite interestingly, this title was kept also in the published piano reduction.

[Naïve Old Fart 12,786]

There is a book you can buy in stores that contains the sheet music to Banning Back Home, where it is called Yuppie Sounds

I saw the handwritten conductor's score of Hook and the piece was titled "Yuppie Sounds".

Quite interestingly, this title was kept also in the published piano reduction.

This is great, guys. Keep it coming. Does anyone know what cue, featured on "Endlessly Compelling", George Lucas named?

[Jay 45,592]

If you are looking for a cue list for ROTS that's available right here

[Maurizio 6,909]

The original cue titles sometimes reveal Williams' wry humor. The "Inner City" cue on the original Star Wars was titled "Is it a bird?" on the conductor's score, while the cue "Passage Through the Planet Core" on Episode I was titled "Gone Fishin'"

[Jay 45,592]

My favorite Williams cue title is still Once In A Vial

[Andy 7,411]

John Williams was the old Michael Giacchino.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

Although allegedly Giacchino doesn't name his tracks.

[Josh500 1,620]

You should also consider that it's likely this Grusin piece was used in the temp-track and they tried to license it, but they didn't got the rights in the end and then Williams composed something as similar as he could.

Hmmmm, yes, possibly.

[Jay 45,592]

Although allegedly Giacchino doesn't name his tracks.

I think him and his team come up with them together. I doubt he would agree to use a title he didn't like.

I do like that the original cue titles are kept for the CD releases. Though sometimes they change them; The original cue title for "Back From Black" was "Once You Go Black Hole"

[Andy 7,411]

Although allegedly Giacchino doesn't name his tracks.

No kidding? Who does? His punny track titles make him kinda endearing.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

I remember reading it was one of his producers. I think they work great on some albums, like the Pixar ones, although I'm not a fan of the Star Trek ones.

[Josh500 1,620]

Anyway, I listened to the entire Hook OS album twice yesterday, and I gotta say, I am starting to appreciate it more. So thanks, guys!

The Top 6 tracks on the Hook OS album based on general consensus are, probably:

"Prologue"

"The Arrival Of Tink And The Flight To Neverland"

"Presenting the Hook"

"Remembering Childhood"

"You are the Pan"

"The Ultimate War"

Also I find it interesting that nobody here mentioned: "Granny Wendy," "Hook-Napped," and "From Mermaids To Lost Boys."

[Maurizio 6,909]

"Hook-Napped" contains some lovely nods to Korngold's The Sea Hawk.

"From Mermaids to Lost Boys" contains some really mad virtuosic writing for woodwinds--I bet they were out of breath at the end of the sessions!

[Luke Skywalker 2,346]

I remember reading it was one of his producers. I think they work great on some albums, like the Pixar ones, although I'm not a fan of the Star Trek ones.

It's his Music Editor.

I know because i asked him personally at last years lecture in ubeda

BTW, his original cue titles have also puns like williams, so in the end giacchino also makes funny names.

[Marian Schedenig 11,517]

Also I find it interesting that nobody here mentioned: "Granny Wendy," "Hook-Napped," and "From Mermaids To Lost Boys."

Granny Wendy, Hook-Napped and Smee's Plan might be my top 3 picks after the 3 I picked.

[Xander Harris 9,449]

I was very disappointed in the album versions of Flight to Neverland, Never-Feast and Ultimate War. The film versions all contain some big, memorable amazing alternate takes/inserts that are not featured on the album.

[Marian Schedenig 11,517]

There's a lot missing on the album, but as I remember, many cues in the film also skip a lot of the brilliant stuff on the album.

[King Mark 3,912]

I was very disappointed in the album versions of Flight to Neverland, Never-Feast and Ultimate War. The film versions all contain some big, memorable amazing alternate takes/inserts that are not featured on the album.

Yeah like when the food appears on the table . First reaction watching the film...aaargh wtf? how come Williams removed that??!!

[Maurizio 6,909]

Hmm, I think that portion of the cue was actually recorded later as an insert. What we hear on the album is likely Williams' original take. The film version of "The Never-Feast" omits a whole section later on. I guess the sequence was probably tinkered a lot during the post-production.

[Xander Harris 9,449]

I still remember seeing Hook in theater. I was very young, but it's one of the earliest memories I have of a movie. And I remember the music. I remember the fanfare when they fight at the end, the croc falling on Hook and also the music at the end of the Never-Feast after Peter swings the sword. There's this eerie moment and you hear the Peter Pan theme for the first time.

[Wojo 2,458]

Really? That cue's not on the soundtrack? I never knew that. Oh wait.

[Josh500 1,620]

I was very disappointed in the album versions of Flight to Neverland, Never-Feast and Ultimate War. The film versions all contain some big, memorable amazing alternate takes/inserts that are not featured on the album.

Well, yes, but I guess we can't have it both ways, at least not on the OS. Either we get the original recording, or else it's the edited-or-hacked-up-for-the-movie-version like in the TPM UE.

Also I find it interesting that nobody here mentioned: "Granny Wendy," "Hook-Napped," and "From Mermaids To Lost Boys."

Granny Wendy, Hook-Napped and Smee's Plan might be my top 3 picks after the 3 I picked.

Really? I'd have thought, generally, these would be the bottom three.

I was very disappointed in the album versions of Flight to Neverland, Never-Feast and Ultimate War. The film versions all contain some big, memorable amazing alternate takes/inserts that are not featured on the album.

Yeah like when the food appears on the table . First reaction watching the film...aaargh wtf? how come Williams removed that??!!

Is this scene better scored than the scene in PS when the food magically appears on the table?

[Jay 45,592]

I was very disappointed in the album versions of Flight to Neverland, Never-Feast and Ultimate War. The film versions all contain some big, memorable amazing alternate takes/inserts that are not featured on the album.

Yeah like when the food appears on the table . First reaction watching the film...aaargh wtf? how come Williams removed that??!!

Actually, the OST contains Williams original version of the cue. He later recorded an insert that was inserted into the cue in the final film.

[Naïve Old Fart 12,786]

My favorite Williams cue title is still Once In A Vial

From..?

Although allegedly Giacchino doesn't name his tracks.

"Back From Black"

I prefer "Back IN Black"

[Jay 45,592]

My favorite Williams cue title is still Once In A Vial

From..?

http://www.indianajonesmusic.com/2008/11/indiana-jones-and-temple-of-doom-1984.html

[Marian Schedenig 11,517]

Really? I'd have thought, generally, these would be the bottom three.

The bottom three would be When You're Alone. If the horrible cheesiness of that doesn't count for three, then one of the bottom three would be the album version of The Ultimate War.

[Luke Skywalker 2,346]

As with most williams songs, the instrumental version is beautiful. The lyrics kill it.

[Marian Schedenig 11,517]

Yes. And it's not even that that girl is singing badly... she's a bit unsteady, but she has technique at least. But as a song, this would be incredibly cheesy regardless of who sang it.

[Jeff 10]

Yes. And it's not even that that girl is singing badly... she's a bit unsteady, but she has technique at least. But as a song, this would be incredibly cheesy regardless of who sang it.

The way the girl sings it makes it more real and a little more magical. Cheesy? Yes, absolutely. But it's possible to like something that's cheesy.

I agree that most Williams songs with lyrics sound cheesy. I would include in that anything from Star Wars (Duel of the Fates, Ewok Celebration, and Jedi Rocks), even though I still like those songs.

[Xander Harris 9,449]

I dunno, I kinda like the song. And believe me, I'm someone that is generally against putting lyrics to orchestral film music and cheesing it up. But something about that song, I don't know. I can't dislike it one bit. Maybe it's nostalgia, but I find that part in the movie absolutely magical. The scene is that she is singing the song her mother used to sing to her and Hook and his band of pirates are listening from the decks. The pirates seem to want to listen and there's an odd moment where they drop the guise of villainous pirate henchman and display more relatable human qualities. One pirate just looks off and sighs. I love that.

[Delorean90 47]

Yeah, and the way she sings it is believable, but not bad. I much prefer it over, say, the kids singing on the back of the train in The Polar Express, where they sound overtrained and poppy. Ugh.

[Josh500 1,620]

I agree that most Williams songs with lyrics sound cheesy. I would include in that anything from Star Wars (Duel of the Fates, Ewok Celebration, and Jedi Rocks), even though I still like those songs.

You think "Duel of the Fates" is cheesy?

"Somewhere In My Memory" and "For Always" (the pop version) are cheesy, but they are probably meant to be cheesy... or childish on purpose. But how is "Duel of the Fates" cheesy?

Yeah, and the way she sings it is believable, but not bad. I much prefer it over, say, the kids singing on the back of the train in The Polar Express, where they sound overtrained and poppy. Ugh.

I think this song should have been sung the way that boy sang "Suo Gan"!

But that would've been a tad unbelievable, I guess.

[indy4 160]

I think this song should have been sung the way that boy sang "Suo Gan"!

But that would've been a tad unbelievable, I guess.

Well in Empire of the Sun Jim is part of an organized singing group, so having him sound pretty good is more believable than having a little girl who, as far as we know, doesn't sing beyond her school plays.

[Josh500 1,620]

Well, yes, but it'd have been pretty easy to make her part of a singing group too.

But they probably figured it'd be cuter this way.

[Wojo 2,458]

I actually like "When You're Alone." It's sad and touching in an honest kind of way. A little girl is coming to grips with the fact that she's been kidnapped, nobody can rescue her, she's losing her brother, and instead of spazzing at night or running around like a loon, she's singing a song that could have been a lullaby her mom would sing to her.

When compared to some of the other fare in the movie -- the obscene name calling at the food fight, namely -- this song seems pretty decent. I cringe at Spielberg placing the words fart and factory together in a movie.

[Jeff 10]

You think "Duel of the Fates" is cheesy?

"Somewhere In My Memory" and "For Always" (the pop version) are cheesy, but they are probably meant to be cheesy... or childish on purpose. But how is "Duel of the Fates" cheesy?

Don't get me wrong, I like it - but keep in mind that relative to the rest of the movie-going public, we're nerds. I'm not sure what language the lyrics are supposed to be, but it's reminiscent of the Star Trek and LOTR languages that some people actually learn. To normal people, that is pretty cheesy (not in the same way "Somewhere in My Memory" is - maybe cheesy is the wrong word?). I prefer the wordless vocals of "Battle of the Heroes." All I know is, I would feel pretty awkward singing the words to Duel of the Fates out loud.

[Datameister 2,564]

I'm sure the folks in India who spoke (or speak) Sanskrit would disagree with your assessment of their language being nerdy.

[Jeff 10]

I'm sure the folks in India who spoke (or speak) Sanskrit would disagree with your assessment of their language being nerdy.

Well there you go - I didn't know it was Sanskrit. But I bet most people don't know that.

[Wojo 2,458]

All I know is, I would feel pretty awkward singing the words to Duel of the Fates out loud.

No you wouldn't.

If you knew Sanskrit and could speak it, you would feel empowered to sing along with DotF on your CD player, and your friends would be impressed.

But you didn't know it was Sanskrit. You just thought it was some made up chanting for the sake of the song. In that case, you'd be stumbling around, sound terrible, and feel very awkward.

When I'm by myself in my car, I try to sing "Hymn to Red October." But I was never very good at Russian, so I'm terrible at it. Around people, though, I wouldn't dare.

[Jeff 10]

All I know is, I would feel pretty awkward singing the words to Duel of the Fates out loud.

No you wouldn't.

If you knew Sanskrit and could speak it, you would feel empowered to sing along with DotF on your CD player, and your friends would be impressed.

But you didn't know it was Sanskrit. You just thought it was some made up chanting for the sake of the song. In that case, you'd be stumbling around, sound terrible, and feel very awkward.

When I'm by myself in my car, I try to sing "Hymn to Red October." But I was never very good at Russian, so I'm terrible at it. Around people, though, I wouldn't dare.

Maybe you're right - I actually do know Russian and love to sing along with Hymn to Red October. Now that I've been enlightened, maybe I will have a new appreciation for Duel of the Fates (although I was obviously being truthful about what I thought was a "made up chanting").

Now allow me to back out of this lion's den and pretend I never started this discussion.

[Luke Skywalker 2,346]

Just heard the score (again).

Masterpiece .

The end credits beggining is amazing. The rest is tracked? it sounded like that this time :/

[Jay 45,592]

Yea there's an original end credits piece, that then segues into snippets of "The Lost Boy Chase" and "Farewell Neverland"

[Josh500 1,620]

Don't get me wrong, I like it - but keep in mind that relative to the rest of the movie-going public, we're nerds. I'm not sure what language the lyrics are supposed to be, but it's reminiscent of the Star Trek and LOTR languages that some people actually learn. To normal people, that is pretty cheesy (not in the same way "Somewhere in My Memory" is - maybe cheesy is the wrong word?). I prefer the wordless vocals of "Battle of the Heroes." All I know is, I would feel pretty awkward singing the words to Duel of the Fates out loud.

I am really not sure what you're getting at, but I am pretty sure that "normal" people, when they heard Duel of the Fates (either in the movie or as a standalone piece), wouldn't think cheesy.

Impressive and operatic, maybe, but not cheesy.

[Maurizio 6,909]

The end credits beggining is amazing. The rest is tracked? it sounded like that this time :/

As Jay said, the first 1:30 of the end credits is an original piece written purposefully, but the rest is tracked. However, I think it was somewhat "written", as the last chord of the Childhood theme segment is pitched perfectly on the beginning of "Lost Boy Chase".

However, I wonder if the unused "Finale" cue was actually written for the last part of the end credits.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,060]

I agree that most Williams songs with lyrics sound cheesy. I would include in that anything from Star Wars (Duel of the Fates, Ewok Celebration, and Jedi Rocks), even though I still like those songs.

Jedi Rocks is NOT...I repeat....NOT a John Williams song!

[A24 5,072]

The piano intro of We Don't Wanna Grow Up.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,060]

Did Williams play that piece himself?

[BloodBoal 8,364]

[Wojo 2,458]

I hear similarities. They evoke similar moods of mysterious activity about to happen.

Hook came before Donkey Kong Country 2. It's possible that David Wise was inspired by Hook to create this particular musical passage. It's evidence of the video game industry moving towards more realistic sounding music.

[BloodBoal 8,364]