The OFFICIAL Indy IV Thread

[Red 75]

Temple of Doom was great, and the title was good in that "old movie" type of way. But yeah, it is the weakest of the trilogy.

[John Crichton 4]

But why is it the focus? It's like basing your whole opinion on The Phantom Menace by how it compares to Return of the Jedi. Judge the new title on its own merits, or at least compare it to the whole previous series.

[BLUMENKOHL 1,070]

I like the new title. It's nice and long.

Movie titles these days suck...with their 1 word titles.

[Henry B 50]

2. Most people (including me) think ToD was the worst film in the trilogy.

What, because it didn't have good old Brody and Sallah and it didn't take place in the desert?

[Jeshopk 8]

Last Crusade was clearly the least effective film from an action adventure standpoint. As a sitcom it is the best.

[indy4 155]

2. Most people (including me) think ToD was the worst film in the trilogy.

What, because it didn't have good old Brody and Sallah and it didn't take place in the desert?

No, because it was much too dark. It lacked the light hearted humor the other two films had. I'm not at all saying it was bad, I'm just saying it was worse than Raiders and Last Crusade. And Spielberg agrees with me. He said so on the fourth bonus disc when the trilogy was released on DVD.

[John Crichton 4]

Huh, the musical number, "No one's flying the plane!", the hand coming through the wall, the Indy/Willy relationship, and just about every scene with Short Round don't count as light hearted?

Now if you say that the rest of the film was much darker than the others, you'll get no argument.

[indy4 155]

Last Crusade was clearly the least effective film from an action adventure standpoint. As a sitcom it is the best.

Crusade was the best. I had several hilarious moments, but they were perfectly mixed in with the action. It also had a good moral. And as for action:

Indy's first adventure

the adventure on that dock

the adventure under the library

escape from venice

escape from the nazi's castle

the motorcycle chase

no ticket

the air plane scene

"It doesn't get much closer than that!"/attack of the birds

the tank scene

the three challenges

the scene where the floor cracks and indy's girlfriend dies

In the words of Dr. Jones, "It doesn't get much more action packed than that!"

All of these scenes are very lengthy, with some great moments.

[Henry B 50]

Huh, the musical number, "No one's flying the plane!", the hand coming through the wall, the Indy/Willy relationship, and just about every scene with Short Round don't count as light hearted?

Yeah, I don't get it. Temple of Doom is pretty sentimental and accessible (in fact, more so than Raiders) except for the heart yanking scene.

[John Crichton 4]

You know that's a good point. In a lot of ways ToD is lighter than Raiders.

[indy4 155]

Huh, the musical number, "No one's flying the plane!", the hand coming through the wall, the Indy/Willy relationship, and just about every scene with Short Round don't count as light hearted?

Now if you say that the rest of the film was much darker than the others, you'll get no argument.

My appologies. I meant to say the film was much darker than the others.

[John Crichton 4]

Fair enough.

Now don't do it again!!

[Red 75]

You know that's a good point. In a lot of ways ToD is lighter than Raiders.

Maybe, but you know, it only takes one ripping out of a heart scene to change that.

[GoodMusician 56]

I just thought I'd throw this in there, but I posted about this on Myspace and a good friend of mine who studies and travels the country doing workshops on crystal healing messaged me.

He thought it was funny that THAT was the title as he'd been studying about them and was actually in the process of writing a book about the crystal skulls....

Well, I offhandedly asked him "You know, there was a lot of rumors circulating that this movie would be about Atlantis... Is it a possibility they're connected? I remember reading back years ago about the thought that the skulls contained great troves of knowledge and the Atlanteans, supposedly, were masters of crystals and these are relics from them that one day, man is suppose to be able to open them and learn the knowledge trapped in them."

And he said:

"Hey there!

You are exactly right! That is one of the theories behind them... maybe it'll be about Atlantis afterall!"

so... thought I'd throw that out there...

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Yes, there was something about that at the link Peio posted a page back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull

Ray Barnsbury

[indy4 155]

Yes, there was something about that at the link Peio posted a page back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_skull

Ray Barnsbury

If it's about that, I don't think the title is so bad. I mean, they didn't come up w/ the whole "Crystal Skulls" thing, all they did was the Kingdom part. So then it's fine.

It makes sense if it's about this...two of the three movies were about artifacts that were already known about by the general public (the Ark and the Holy Grail).

[King Mark 3,631]

I'll repeat my position on this.As long as nothing happens to Williams before the recording sessions,I'm ok with anything that might otherwise rape my childhood

[indy4 155]

I'll repeat my position on this.As long as nothing happens to Williams before the recording sessions,I'm ok with anything that might otherwise rape my childhood

I'm hoping for a great movie and score. And I think I'll get both of those things, too.

[GoodMusician 56]

could you imagine the instrumentation for an Atlantis-esque score??

or... "The Skull Theme"

Somehow I imagine something sounding similar to the mysterious moments from Jurassic Park...

and if that Happends... than MAYBE...just MAYBE... Williams will do JP..

He doesn't like to return to old sounds, but if this is a new twist on an old sound (obviously since it's Indiana Jones) and it it does go into the JP direction...hmMMmm!

with JP4 right after this...

hmmmMmmmm

[Joni Wiljami 1,206]

Any News when they are going to start the recording sessions?

[indy4 155]

Any News when they are going to start the recording sessions?

John Williams said during his lecture he would begin scoring Indy 4 in October.

could you imagine the instrumentation for an Atlantis-esque score??or... "The Skull Theme"Somehow I imagine something sounding similar to the mysterious moments from Jurassic Park...and if that Happends... than MAYBE...just MAYBE... Williams will do JP..He doesn't like to return to old sounds, but if this is a new twist on an old sound (obviously since it's Indiana Jones) and it it does go into the JP direction...hmMMmm!with JP4 right after this...hmmmMmmmm

I love JW's new sound, mainly because there ISN'T one sound. His new style is varied--anything he hasn't done in the past. However, for this one movie, I would prefer he traveled back to the 80s, and gave us a classic adventure score. I'm not hoping for beautiful themes (except perhaps a new love theme), or pleasantly creepy music (e.g. most of Elfman's stuff). I'm looking for a bold, brass, fun, and exciting score. I would prefer JW returns to his old Indy style and not be picked to score JP4 rather than one of his more creative styles and do JP4. Just for this one film....

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

John Williams said during his lecture he would begin scoring Indy 4 in October.

Recording will probably be months later, though.

Ray Barnsbury

[indy4 155]

Just making sure, but we know for sure they're done filming, right?

[John McClane 1]

You know that's a good point. In a lot of ways ToD is lighter than Raiders.

Maybe, but you know, it only takes one ripping out of a heart scene to change that.

Or an Ark melting scene (which was longer, darker and killed more people).

Just making sure, but we know for sure they're done filming, right?

No, they're not done at all (if you meant to say that they've finished). They're filming and will be keep filming for at least a couple of months (they started in July).

Mirko - who loves Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (in all aspects: title, movie and score!)

[Guest macrea]

The second film was originally announced as "Temple of Death" and the title was changed at some point. It wasn't considered corny or anything else; it was just a title and unlike "Last Crusade" it at least gave you some idea of what the story was going to center around. (Not critcizing "Last Crusade" as a title; it's fine considering that "and the Holy Grail" was already taken, but it was different from the previous two in that regard. However, a lot of people initially thought "Lost Ark" referred to the ark of Noah.)

So maybe the title will change to "Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull" or something else and perhaps it's part of the plan to announce that so that the movie makes headlines again at some point. The current title is just too clumsy. "The" should not be in the title twice.

Perhaps Indy will find the remains of the Fortress of Solitude and discover the skull of Jor-El.

[crumbs 14,384]

Nobody was whinging about 'City of the Gods' and that had 'the' twice. Jesus you people are impossible.

[Marcus 390]

I am coming to terms with this now... And I suddely find myself tempted to go "Cassandra" on you:

I predict that it's tone, or rather, it's genre, will be a little closer to ToD (more fantasy, suspension of belief,etc.), at least as far as the outer story is concerned. The inner story will revolve around a father&son relationship (a sort of reverse of Last Crusade), and reuniting a family.

We will get a theme for Indy's son, we will get a theme for whoever Cate Blanchett plays, we will get a soaring Atlantis theme, and a more sinister theme for the Crystal Skulls. We will also get another (dare I say?) comedic villain theme (or at least a motif) for the Russkis.

Other than that, I predict reprises of "Marion's Theme", "The Ark", "Raider's March" (which will be the first track of the soundtrack album, concert version re-recording), as well as a passing hint of the "Father and Son Theme" from Last Crusade (Henry's theme).

The film will be well-received, although many will still feel it was unnecessary, and emotionally really just a rethreading of sorts of Last Crusade (again, through a reversal).

The score will be lauded, and hailed as an instant classic.

Marcus, a.k.a "Oracle of the Obvious"

[Romão 2,276]

Spielberg shoots pretty fast these days, so it shouldn't be long before they're done shooting.

[Luke Skywalker 1,810]

i think the crystal skull has to do with the mexico jungle and temple scenes. That's where the crystal skul in the novel i mentioned was.

Anyway, the evil character of the book said that the skull was so craftily perfect that it must had been made by more advanced people than the maya. More than us. -> Atlantis?

[Quintus 5,399]

I dunno, the title seems quite good when seen in that light.

[Pieter Boelen 741]

I hope that rumours that area 51 and aliens have anything to do with Indy IV are completely unfounded. If there's one thing I DON'T want to have in Indiana Jones, it is aliens.

[John McClane 1]

I dunno, the title seems quite good when seen in that light.

That's true.

I hope that rumours that area 51 and aliens have anything to do with Indy IV are completely unfounded. If there's one thing I DON'T want to have in Indiana Jones, it is aliens.

Of course. It would totally ruin the movie, which will sucks big time.

Now I'd like to discuss a couple of points:

1) I'm a bit afraid that this movie will be too fantasy. I mean, Raiders was about the Ark of the Covenant, which is a mythological item but pretty much still realistic. Temple of Doom was about this small lonesome Indian village, with its sacred stones, and a temple with evil voodoo cult. A crazy but still realistic story, as you never know how strange can be the world. Last Crusade was about the search of the chalice used by Jesus in the Last Supper, which nobody can tell if it's true, but we all know that many people have always discussed its existence and searched for it. Which, again, makes Last Crusade a realistic movie.

But what about Crystal Skulls? A Kingdom of Crystal Skull? What's that? I don't want a movie about something like medieval legends and tales and stuff like that. I've always loved Indy because, as archeologist, has always looked for real or supposed-to-be-real objects, I don't wanna see him in the end of the movie happy because he found a skull made of crystal. It would be disappointing and very sad.

2) Which dangerous animals Indy is supposed to face this time? It's not that they're forced to put dangerous animals, but I'm used to this and it always come out something funny.

In Raiders there were spiders and snakes. In Temple of Doom there were any kind of bugs (or fortune cookies ^_^ ) and crocodiles. In Last Crusade there were rats.

What's left? They haven't done yet a long underwater Indy scene, it would be funny to see Indy meet sharks (imagine JW parodying his own Jaws...that would be hilarious)

[Henry B 50]

A Jaws parody? Awesome! I don't believe that's ever been done before.

[Red 75]

No, it hasn't.

( ^_^ )

[Pieter Boelen 741]

I don't want any parodying in Indiana Jones IV. Neither parodying the other Indiana Jones films nor any other films. Except for one small tiny funny reference to one other Indy film, similar to the RotLA references in the other two films.

[John McClane 1]

It has already been done? By John Williams himself? In an Indiana Jones movie? I don't think so.

Mirko - who loved the Ark theme citation in the Last Crusade. ^_^

[Henry B 50]

You have a good point. Indiana Jones movies have never yet featured a butler getting hit in the face with a pie, either, so let's hope they throw that in there too.

Ooh, how about a burp gag?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It has already been done? By John Williams himself? In an Indiana Jones movie? I don't think so.

Mirko - who loved the Ark theme citation in the Last Crusade. ^_^

Did you just answer you own question again?

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

It has already been done? By John Williams himself? In an Indiana Jones movie? I don't think so.

Mirko - who loved the Ark theme citation in the Last Crusade. ^_^

He parodied Jaws (or referenced, whatever) in 1941.

[MSM 126]

could you imagine the instrumentation for an Atlantis-esque score??or... "The Skull Theme"Somehow I imagine something sounding similar to the mysterious moments from Jurassic Park...and if that Happends... than MAYBE...just MAYBE... Williams will do JP..He doesn't like to return to old sounds, but if this is a new twist on an old sound (obviously since it's Indiana Jones) and it it does go into the JP direction...hmMMmm!with JP4 right after this...hmmmMmmmm

Good point! We might see the same effect as in 1990-1993 period, where Home Alone inspired Hook and finally resulted in a fantastic Jurassic Park score. The new title possibly refers to a storyline as written by MacCoy in Indiana Jones and the Secret of the Sphinx. It features a crystal skull.

Btw KotCS doesn't read so nicely in Dutch, where 'kots' means 'vomit' ;-)

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I don't think I've ever posted on a Dutch forum, so that's not really a problem

[mcdaid72000 0]

I dunno, the title seems quite good when seen in that light.

The title seems bland to me. I would have liked Indiana Jones and the Lost City of Atlantis. That was one of the suggested titles a long time ago on indyfan.com The title sounded cool and was voted the most possible title for the next film, but the title: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull sounds bland for now since I have not seen the movie. I hope the soundtrack sounds cool and I hope the movie becomes a smash hit. How many people here like the sound of the title?

[Jeshopk 8]

Ah good old JoeinAr, giving us the benefit of his experience, undiluted.

Never change Joe.

Same old head-up-ass Joe. Never change.

[Guest macrea]

J---- you people are impossible.

No, "impossible" people are the ones who insist on making message boards confrontational rather than a forum for expressing and exchanging ideas in a friendly way. In other words, conversation. And those who feel they must invoke terms that others might find distasteful or perhaps blasphemous are double offenders. Please leave us to our ruminating and look for a thread where the posters are more "possible."

[Red 75]

could you imagine the instrumentation for an Atlantis-esque score??or... "The Skull Theme"Somehow I imagine something sounding similar to the mysterious moments from Jurassic Park...and if that Happends... than MAYBE...just MAYBE... Williams will do JP..He doesn't like to return to old sounds, but if this is a new twist on an old sound (obviously since it's Indiana Jones) and it it does go into the JP direction...hmMMmm!with JP4 right after this...hmmmMmmmm

Good point! We might see the same effect as in 1990-1993 period, where Home Alone inspired Hook and finally resulted in a fantastic Jurassic Park score. The new title possibly refers to a storyline as written by MacCoy in Indiana Jones and the Secret of the Sphinx. It features a crystal skull.

Btw KotCS doesn't read so nicely in Dutch, where 'kots' means 'vomit' ;-)

Home Alone (or Hook) didn't inspire Jurassic Park. ^_^

[Henry B 50]

It's too bad. If they had, Jurassic Park would have been awesome.

[Red 75]

Actually, it was.

[artyjeffrey 20]

No, it hasn't.

( )

The opening of 1941 maybe? Wouldn't blame you if you'd never seen it. I would congratulate you, as a matter of fact.

[Red 75]

And they say sarcasm is dead.

[Docteur Qui 1,544]

But what about Crystal Skulls? A Kingdom of Crystal Skull? What's that? I don't want a movie about something like medieval legends and tales and stuff like that. I've always loved Indy because, as archeologist, has always looked for real or supposed-to-be-real objects, I don't wanna see him in the end of the movie happy because he found a skull made of crystal. It would be disappointing and very sad.

Huh? The Holy Grail is the greatest, most well-known and overused medieval legend of them all!!

At the end of the day, the object which Indy is attempting to rescue/steal/recover/whatever isn't important. It's the journey along the way; that was always the most common denominator between the three in the trilogy. The relationships he builds or mends through the movie are what he realises were the real prize in the end and not stalling the Nazis or receiving fortune and glory. It's a metaphor for the Grail journey taken by thousands - though the reference became a lot less subtle when they made a whole movie about the Grail and repeatedly bashed this point over our heads. So what I'm saying is that it really shouldn't matter what it is that Indy's looking for. It's obvious already that the important thing will be what happens along the way. And if that does not turn out to be the focus of the film it won't be a true Indiana Jones film.

Incidentally, this link suggests that the Crystal Skulls have some basis in mythology. Really, I find the whole thing very Phantomish. Anyone remember him? The ghost who walks? He was tomb-raiding crystal skulls way before Indy was...

2) Which dangerous animals Indy is supposed to face this time? It's not that they're forced to put dangerous animals, but I'm used to this and it always come out something funny.

In Raiders there were spiders and snakes. In Temple of Doom there were any kind of bugs (or fortune cookies ) and crocodiles. In Last Crusade there were rats.

What's left? They haven't done yet a long underwater Indy scene, it would be funny to see Indy meet sharks (imagine JW parodying his own Jaws...that would be hilarious)

Do they actually need any? As I said before, an Indy movie doesn't have to match up scene by scene in some way to be part of the series, it just needs to have its heart in the right place. And the heart of an Indy film isn't "what dangerous and/or humorous situation has Dr Jones has found himself in this time?"