The ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark

[TownerFan 4,983]

I think "The Warehouse" and "End Credits" are written as two separate cues, but they were meant to segue into each other as one single piece. Every "Finale" piece from the Indy films leads directly into the end credits cue, so I guess Raiders is just the same as the others.

Just my two cents.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

I think "The Warehouse" and "End Credits" are written as two separate cues, but they were meant to segue into each other as one single piece. Every "Finale" piece from the Indy films leads directly into the end credits cue, so I guess Raiders is just the same as the others.

Just my two cents.

As with Star Wars.

That's my opinion too.

[Jay 37,368]

Hey guys,

I just got a hold of some new sheet music from Raiders. William's original cue name for "The Warehouse" aka "Washington Ending" is... drum roll please... "End Credits Part 1". And not only that, but there's a note on the last bar to "Overlap Part 2"

So I hate to break it to you DCC version fans, but Concord got it exactly right.

[Lurker 5]

Regardless, it's not used in the movie (someone else must not like it either) and it sounds like hell. So basically the one film overlap that wasn't necessary is the one they put on this set, ignoring all of the TOD overlaps.

Neil

[Jay 37,368]

Actually they put 4 other film overlaps on the set (Not counting overlaps from the OSTs) - "The Scroll" / "To Pankot Palace" (although they screwed that one up), "Short Round Helps Out" / "Indy Takes Charge", "The Broken Bridge / "British Relief", and the 3rd part of Indy's Very First Adventure

They also combined "A Thought For Marion" with "To Tibet" as "Thinking Of Marion / To Nepal", though that was already done on the DCC release as well

[Henry B 50]

And, most importantly, they combined "Marcus Captured / To Berlin."

[Jay 37,368]

Which was an incredibly annoying thing to do

[Jay 37,368]

So I had a random thought this morning.

What if "End Credits Part 2" is not the Raiders March at all?

What if there is a different End Credits out there, and in the end they decided to replace it with the "Raiders March" concert arrangement he had recorded for the album instead?

Could explain why they don't seem to line up... maybe that last note of The Warehouse was meant to connect to something we've never heard?

Is that possible?

[Maxxie 1]

So I had a random thought this morning.

What if "End Credits Part 2" is not the Raiders March at all?

What if there is a different End Credits out there, and in the end they decided to replace it with the "Raiders March" concert arrangement he had recorded for the album instead?

Could explain why they don't seem to line up... maybe that last note of The Warehouse was meant to connect to something we've never heard?

Is that possible?

Certainly possible. But I doubt it!

I expect the reason that the last note of "The Warehouse" is cut from the film is because there wasn't enough credits time for The Raiders March to play in full (similar to ToD), and because of this, it would've sounded silly with the last note of "Warehouse" going straight into The Raiders March.

Just my thoughts.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Regardless, it's not used in the movie (someone else must not like it either) and it sounds like hell. So basically the one film overlap that wasn't necessary is the one they put on this set, ignoring all of the TOD overlaps.

Neil

Look, your prior excuse was that it was not meant to be like that since 'Raiders march' was an isolated concert arrangement. You are now looking for more excuses to please your vision, even if it contradicts Williams' (Vintage Williams no less)

And I highly doubt that Williams could compose something that sound like hell in his 'vintage era'

And please, what kind of excuse 'its not used in the movie' is?

Alien score must be a big pile of sh*t with that reasonement.

[Jay 37,368]

If anything, perhaps the final note of The Warehouse is supposed to be played lower when combining with The Raiders March. Its SO LOUD on the Concord

[Henry B 50]

So I had a random thought this morning.

What if "End Credits Part 2" is not the Raiders March at all?

What if there is a different End Credits out there, and in the end they decided to replace it with the "Raiders March" concert arrangement he had recorded for the album instead?

Could explain why they don't seem to line up... maybe that last note of The Warehouse was meant to connect to something we've never heard?

Is that possible?

I seriously doubt that. A Williams end credits piece would not have been left off the two expanded albums that have come out.

[Jay 37,368]

Would be if it was never recorded

[Desplat13 1]

Would be if it was never recorded

I want sheet music!

[Ollie 1,059]

Regardless, it's not used in the movie (someone else must not like it either) and it sounds like hell. So basically the one film overlap that wasn't necessary is the one they put on this set, ignoring all of the TOD overlaps.

Neil

Look, your prior excuse was that it was not meant to be like that since 'Raiders march' was an isolated concert arrangement. You are now looking for more excuses to please your vision, even if it contradicts Williams' (Vintage Williams no less)

And I highly doubt that Williams could compose something that sound like hell in his 'vintage era'

And please, what kind of excuse 'its not used in the movie' is?

Alien score must be a big pile of sh*t with that reasonement.

Did you even bother to read his post or do you over react to everything that criticizes Lucasfilm and Williams?

[Lurker 5]

Regardless, it's not used in the movie (someone else must not like it either) and it sounds like hell. So basically the one film overlap that wasn't necessary is the one they put on this set, ignoring all of the TOD overlaps.

Neil

Look, your prior excuse was that it was not meant to be like that since 'Raiders march' was an isolated concert arrangement. You are now looking for more excuses to please your vision, even if it contradicts Williams' (Vintage Williams no less)

And I highly doubt that Williams could compose something that sound like hell in his 'vintage era'

And please, what kind of excuse 'its not used in the movie' is?

Alien score must be a big pile of sh*t with that reasonement.

Did you even bother to read his post or do you over react to everything that criticizes Lucasfilm and Williams?

You'd think by now I'd be used to Manuel's overly critical responses to many of my posts, but he still manages to bug me. Perhaps it's because he jumps on one thing I have to say in a post and then micro analyzes it to death. This has been going on for years.

I've been clear throughout this thread (and the other Indy thread) that I don't think the transition works and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion. The fact that it's not presented that way in the film (when most of Williams's score otherwise was presented intact) or the previous album also reinforces my belief that others don't think this is one of Williams's better transitions.

Neil

[phbart 609]

I prefer both... I don't really care actually...

DCC has clean opening, but not the end coda

Concord has the end coda, but no clean opening...

I may give some advantage to Concord because the sound quality is better...

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

If anything, perhaps the final note of The Warehouse is supposed to be played lower when combining with The Raiders March. Its SO LOUD on the Concord

Then he would have recorded it accordingly.

What we have is Williams vision.

Regardless, it's not used in the movie (someone else must not like it either) and it sounds like hell. So basically the one film overlap that wasn't necessary is the one they put on this set, ignoring all of the TOD overlaps.

Neil

Look, your prior excuse was that it was not meant to be like that since 'Raiders march' was an isolated concert arrangement. You are now looking for more excuses to please your vision, even if it contradicts Williams' (Vintage Williams no less)

And I highly doubt that Williams could compose something that sound like hell in his 'vintage era'

And please, what kind of excuse 'its not used in the movie' is?

Alien score must be a big pile of sh*t with that reasonement.

Did you even bother to read his post or do you over react to everything that criticizes Lucasfilm and Williams?

You'd think by now I'd be used to Manuel's overly critical responses to many of my posts, but he still manages to bug me. Perhaps it's because he jumps on one thing I have to say in a post and then micro analyzes it to death. This has been going on for years.

I've been clear throughout this thread (and the other Indy thread) that I don't think the transition works and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion. The fact that it's not presented that way in the film (when most of Williams's score otherwise was presented intact) or the previous album also reinforces my belief that others don't think this is one of Williams's better transitions.

Neil

I have nothing more to say on the matter, the truth has been revealed about this and the rest is just personal opinion.

[Jay 37,368]

If anything, perhaps the final note of The Warehouse is supposed to be played lower when combining with The Raiders March. Its SO LOUD on the Concord

Then he would have recorded it accordingly.

What we have is Williams vision.

Oh I dunno about that. In a lot of the cues that end with a single note meant to overlap the next cue, the note is still played loud even though you know you are going to lower it when properly mixing to the next cue. Just look at "Indy Negotiates" or "Crusade Of The Slave Children"