Indiana Jones: The Soundtracks Collection (official Thread)

[King Mark 3,625]

I too think it's not so unlikely we'll get the actual ToD end credits on disc 2, as KM and Jason have just said.

And if you take the City of Prague recording ,it is like a performance of the actual End Credits so we know it can stand on it's own .They probably figure we will want to re-sequence the c.d.'s or make an itunes Playlist to put Return to the Village from disk 5 before End Credits on Disk 2 ,so why repeat the same music?? All this added to the theory that if they used the OST version it should be about 6.23 not 6.19 to be consistent with their added silence (or other time correction) like other tracks.

Somehow I now think this is the most likely scenario instead of just using the OST "Finale and End Credits" edit.

[Jay 37,287]

Finishing up my discoveries,

"Indy Negotiates / The Night Club Brawl" runs 6:19 in the movie and 6:28 on the Concord set, which COULD mean it will contain some music we've never heard before (but it could just come from an extended clean ending of the first cue)

The missing 10 seconds in "Fast Streets Of Shanghia" are great, it's a shame Concord didn't restore them.

"Indy And The Villagers" has to be what we've been calling "They Stole The Children" and "Fortune And Glory". "The Starving Village" is really the end of "Slalom On Mt Humol", that was faded out of the OST track (and preserved on Concord sadly), and "A Plea For Help" isn't nearly as interesting as "They Stole...". The track on the Concord set looks like it'll contain about 10 seconds of music we've never heard.

"The Feast" is really 6 separate small cues, each 5 to 20 seconds in length, that aggregate to 1:04 in total. Not a loss at all the Concord set doesn't include them.

Lastly, I figured out exactly what all the rest of the tracks are for sure...

There is a section of music in the middle of the movie, where for FORTY EIGHT FULL MINUTES there is CONSTANT JW underscore, with no pauses at all! Here's what's in it:

0:47:17-0:53:09 (5:52) Nocturnal Activities (5:53 on Concord)

0:53:09-0:56:35 (3:26) Secret Passage (3:28 on Concord)

0:56:35-1:00:00 (3:25) Bug Tunnel And Death Trap (3:28 on Concord)

1:00:00-1:07:01 (7:01) Temple chanting 1

1:07:07-1:09:34 (2:27) Approaching The Stones (2:38 on Concord) should contain some music we've never heard!

1:09:34-1:12:01 (2:27) Children In Chains (2:41 on Concord)

1:12:01-1:17:36 (5:35) A True Believer (not on the Concord set!)

1:17:36-1:20:15 (2:39) Temple chanting 2

1:20:15-1:22:31 (2:16) Short Round Escapes (2:20 on Concord)

1:22:31-1:24:06 (1:35) Temple chanting 3

1:24:06-1:27:32 (3:26) Saving Willie (3:34 on Concord) Contains some temple chanting overdubbed in the movie, which will probably not be present in the Concord version

1:27:32-1:30:48 (3:16) The Slave Children's Crusade (3:22 on Concord)

1:30:48-1:35:33 (4:45) Short Round Helps (4:49 on Concord)

The temple chanting truly is a lot of the same chants and music over and over again. I don't think he recorded a 7:01 cue, a 2:39 cue, and a 1:35 cue... I think he recorded a whole bunch of chants and music, arranged 3 minutes of it into "The Temple Of Doom" for the original album, and for the 3 scenes in the movie he (or the music editor, or whoever) arranged different bits and pieces of the chanting to fit the scene. Luckily for us, this means there is really less music "missing" than we have traditionally thought of... also a lot of the unreleased chanting can be ripped cleanly from the DVD.

After that lengthy chunk of score, there is only brief periods of no music before and after (and in the middle) of "The Mine Car Chase", and then starting with "Water!", the rest of the movie plays through with constant underscore again (EIGHTEEN minutes of straight underscore this time)

1:40:42-1:42:20 (1:38) Water! (1:55 on Concord) should contain some music we've never heard!

1:42:20-1:43:16 (0:56) The Sword Trick (1:03 on Concord) should contain some music we've never heard!

1:43:16-1:45:21 (2:05) Bridge Percussion (not on the Concord set!)

1:45:21-1:49:54 (4:33) The Broken Bridge / British Relief (4:46 on Concord) should contain some music we've never heard! Also, it will be interesting to see if the temple chanting heard in the movie appears in the Concord version

1:49:50-1:53:09 (3:19) Return To The Village / Raiders March (3:26 on Concord)

1:53:09-1:58:11 (5:02) End Credits (6:19 on Concord)

In the film, there is a jarring edit at 1:42:20 where the end of "Water!" is cut off and it segues to part-way into "The Sword Trick"... it will be nice to hear the full end and beginning of those cues respectively. It's also a shame the Concord set won't contain any of the Bridge Percussion. Finally, the "Indy Is Alive" bit of music should be the end of "British Relief", with "Return To The Village" starting with the Indy Fanfare that will have to overlap it.

That's it!

My Google Spreadsheet has been fully updated with the new discoveries:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pcw...Go2U0GCQLDFCKPA

[fommes 153]

Nice work, thanks!

Again, a pity that A True Believer isn't included, but considering all the stuff that did make it, we could be much worse off!

On the Temple of Doom End Credits: the "concert suite" that's performed by other orchestras on other albums, is that the exact same "arrangement" as the End Credits on the original album?

[King Mark 3,625]

No,like I said it's the actual End Credits ,not the album arrangement .Like we hope to get on this release

[fommes 153]

No,like I said it's the actual End Credits ,not the album arrangement .Like we hope to get on this release

Ok, I wasn't sure what you meant. In that case: the Filmharmonic II CD from the RPO features a good performance of this. See this thread.

[Jay 37,287]

So how pissed are people going to be if the temple chants as Mola Ram tries to rip out Indy's heart on the broken bridge isn't in the Concord track?

[MissPadmé 17]

Finishing up my discoveries,

"Indy Negotiates / The Night Club Brawl" runs 6:19 in the movie and 6:28 on the Concord set, which COULD mean it will contain some music we've never heard before (but it could just come from an extended clean ending of the first cue)

Hm just thought that it might inculude: "Shanghai 1935" the anything goes fanfare

[Incanus 5,713]

So how pissed are people going to be if the temple chants as Mola Ram tries to rip out Indy's heart on the broken bridge isn't in the Concord track?

Well that choral chant is part of the cue (=not tracked) and has also orchestral backing so I don't think it will be missing from the Broken Bridge track.

[Jay 37,287]

"Indy Negotiates / The Night Club Brawl" runs 6:19 in the movie and 6:28 on the Concord set, which COULD mean it will contain some music we've never heard before (but it could just come from an extended clean ending of the first cue)

Hm just thought that it might inculude: "Shanghai 1935" the anything goes fanfare

I wish it would but it seems highly unlikely. More than likely its from the fade out of the first track (in the film the 2 cues play back to back). It looks like there will be a lot of clean openings and endings on this set that any other producer would have taken out when combining cues that should flow together into long tracks.

So how pissed are people going to be if the temple chants as Mola Ram tries to rip out Indy's heart on the broken bridge isn't in the Concord track?

Well that choral chant is part of the cue (=not tracked) and has also orchestral backing so I don't think it will be missing from the Broken Bridge track.

I sure hope so!

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

Oh! The release date is Nov 11 in the US, but in the UK and Europe it's Nov 17 and 18 respectively.

But that doesn't matter!

there is not an spanish amazon

BTW one question, if i pre-ordered the item in september when the exchange rate was 38 €, whenthey bill me the thing it will be in september currency or the actual november 11 currency?

What do you mean exchange rate? I thought Spain had Euro! Or did you order from the US?

Right now i have one US order and one German order. I hope i dont forget to cancel one...

[davros72 1]

My Google Spreadsheet has been fully updated with the new discoveries:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pcw...Go2U0GCQLDFCKPA

Great job, Jason, thanks! I've already thrown together my first rough tracklisting based on your research. The next two weeks can't go quick enough for me. :-)

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

i hope the end credits are complete but having the same length on disc 2 and the OST is very suspicious

[Dalton007 0]

I wonder why the TOD end credits (film version) is so short...

...I'm scared.

[davros72 1]

Hooray, a countdown to Veteran's Day!

It's also the Independence Day here in Poland.

Is that Michael Palin in your sig?

[Nick Parker 3,040]

Oh! The release date is Nov 11 in the US, but in the UK and Europe it's Nov 17 and 18 respectively.

But that doesn't matter!

there is not an spanish amazon

BTW one question, if i pre-ordered the item in september when the exchange rate was 38 €, whenthey bill me the thing it will be in september currency or the actual november 11 currency?

What do you mean exchange rate? I thought Spain had Euro! Or did you order from the US?

Right now i have one US order and one German order. I hope i dont forget to cancel one...

If you do so happen to forget, I am always available....

[King Mark 3,625]

i hope the end credits are complete but having the same length on disc 2 and the OST is very suspicious

all the other tracks have different times than the OST,so I take it as a good sign.

[Ollie 1,059]

I would imagine the end credits for TOD will be the same as the version on the original album and the disc 5 version will be the complete version, with the missing 20 seconds of Indy/Short Round theme right up to the Slave Children's march.

[King Mark 3,625]

times don't match for that

[Richard Penna 3,671]

I didn't check up on here for a while to change a tyre and watch Prison Break... anything interesting been discovered in the last 4 pages?

[Ollie 1,059]

If you take out some of the tracked music it fits.

[Henry B 50]

Is there tracked music in "The Return to the Village?" Hmm, I'll have to listen carefully...

[TownerFan 4,983]

There is a section of music in the middle of the movie, where for FORTY EIGHT FULL MINUTES there is CONSTANT JW underscore, with no pauses at all!

And what a great music he wrote! It's one of the busiest, frenziest JW scores ever. A crazy, ebullient score. It's like Williams was heavy on caffeine in the days we composed it.

The temple chanting truly is a lot of the same chants and music over and over again. I don't think he recorded a 7:01 cue, a 2:39 cue, and a 1:35 cue... I think he recorded a whole bunch of chants and music, arranged 3 minutes of it into "The Temple Of Doom" for the original album, and for the 3 scenes in the movie he (or the music editor, or whoever) arranged different bits and pieces of the chanting to fit the scene. Luckily for us, this means there is really less music "missing" than we have traditionally thought of...

The temple chant was treated more or less as source music. The interesting thing is that Williams' cues for these sections weave in and out of it in a very flowing way, cleverly fading the crossing lines between source music and underscore. I don't know if it's possible to actually reconstruct all those sections as they are heard in the film for CD presentation without eschewing a lot of repetitions of the temple chant. The original "Sanskrit Ceremony" piece was written and recorded before the filming and it was used on set during the shooting. Williams then composed several transitional underscore cues with orchestra and choir to accompany and enhance the Thug Ceremony sequences.

[Ollie 1,059]

Is there tracked music in "The Return to the Village?" Hmm, I'll have to listen carefully...

I think the love theme is tracked in.

[tjguitar 0]

I didn't check up on here for a while to change a tyre and watch Prison Break... anything interesting been discovered in the last 4 pages?

I thought Prison Break was pre-empted due to baseball.

[King Mark 3,625]

Is there tracked music in "The Return to the Village?" Hmm, I'll have to listen carefully...

I think the love theme is tracked in.

no it's not.There's something specifically great about this version of the love theme

[Ollie 1,059]

It sounds the same as the version that appears in the end credit suite.

[bruckhorn 105]

Richuk is in the UK -- I doubt they preempted for American baseball.

[Ollie 1,059]

Depends if he's getting the Fox Channel feed.

[Henry B 50]

It sounds the same as the version that appears in the end credit suite.

It can't be entirely tracked in. The introduction to it is different from the end credits version (it's the same as the transition to Marion's theme). It could be that the theme is extended with material from the end credits.

[Ollie 1,059]

Unless there's some music we've never heard before it makes sense to me.

We have the first :32 seconds of the "Return To The Village" cue on the original album, it begins the End Credits.

[tjguitar 0]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/mpd/permalink/m3K1PPU64ASJCE

fast forward to 2:20, rest looks to be from a DVD featurette. There's a pic of the back cover of disc 5 in there:

[Lurker 5]

And no track timings on the back of that cover.

Neil

[tjguitar 0]

Yep. It's a big mystery.

[Henry B 50]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/mpd/permalink/m3K1PPU64ASJCE

fast forward to 2:20, rest looks to be from a DVD featurette. There's a pic of the back cover of disc 5 in there:

Well, there's an asterisk next to "The Return to the Village/Raiders March" rather than a double asterisk. Maybe that means that the music is entirely unreleased and thus starts where the album leaves off (at 0:32). This would technically make enough room for the end credits with Short Round counterpoint. But how would they edit that to not sound like garbage?

[crumbs 14,301]

They didn't, and they don't.

Guys, it's POINTLESS trying to get your hopes up about this. It's cut and dry. The Lego games used a prototype of this CD for their music, and the aforementioned cue has already shown us how this track cleanly ends, and it's BEFORE the Indy/Shorty counterpoint. By staying in denial, you're just lending yourselves to being unnecessarily disappointed when you get confirmation with your own ears... move on and forget about it. We know how the 'Return to the Village' track on disc 5 starts and ends.

It's also highly unlikely that the track on disc 2 is any different from the OST... it segues from the previous track just like in the movie.

[Henry B 50]

Yes, "The Return to the Village" and the first part of the end credits are different cues. It's a question of whether they or parts of them are joined.

[Ollie 1,059]

It's also highly unlikely that the track on disc 2 is any different from the OST... it segues from the previous track just like in the movie.

D'uh, it's pretty obvious they are the same tracks since it has the same damn running time and no asterisk next to it.

And even if it ends before the counterpoint that means we are going to get some unreleased music we haven't heard. The only one I see get worked up over this is you. The rest of us were just speculating.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Someone getting worked up over this set?? Naaah!

[Ollie 1,059]

Maybe worked up is too strong but geez people can't even have normal speculation without someone pissing on it.

[King Mark 3,625]

The love theme in Return to the village IS different . The part before it seigues into the B theme (as Indy pulls the whip around Willie) the orchestrations are slightly more lush and has more sting counterpoint .For some reason I always noticed that. A bit like Ewok Celebration album version VS film version.

I agree with Crumbs about the way it ends and if we do get Indy is Alive at the end of British Relief, the End Credits on disk 2 should be the OST album version...

[MissPadmé 17]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/mpd/permalink/m3K1PPU64ASJCE

fast forward to 2:20, rest looks to be from a DVD featurette. There's a pic of the back cover of disc 5 in there:

there is never before seen footage of Williams swinging his baton in the rec. booth at 1:47 for anyone interested

[TownerFan 4,983]

It looks like a promotional featurette for the boxset release and not an excerpt from the actual interview track on disc 5.

Johnny with the Fedora looks so damn cool

Another thing: track timings are not listed on the back covers, so I don't know how ExLibris could have got them. I'm still not 100% convinced that those are the real ones (even though they look pretty spot on).

[MissPadmé 17]

It looks like a promotional featurette for the boxset release and not an excerpt from the actual interview track on disc 5.

Johnny with the Fedora looks so damn cool

Another thing: track timings are not listed on the back covers, so I don't know how ExLibris could have got them. I'm still not 100% convinced that those are the real ones (even though they look like pretty spot on).

well normally these stores don't type in the tracktimes from the backcover manually.

they:

1. Get a mail which lists all the items they are going to get with the content listed

2. The discs - which are scanned into the Computer who reads the tracktimes, so it is no problem to get them if you have the discs..

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

I didnt expect the tracktimes to appear in the back covers, since KOTCS didnt have them and these will match that artwork.

[TownerFan 4,983]

Well, yes, but since nobody still has got the discs, the only way they could have got the track timings is directly from Concord. But no other sites nor Concord official page still lists the durations. I'm just taking it with a grain of salt, as I did with all the unconfirmed news concerning this boxset so far.

[King Mark 3,625]

Ricard might have asked Ex-Libris how they got the track times before posting them on the main page

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

I think Ricard may ask concord directly when some new info appears on the net, and posting it in the main page means he got confirmation (and permission to post it) and that it is legit .

[TownerFan 4,983]

Yep, I trust Ricard, so I tend to think he got an official confirmation

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

Which on the other hand means all the bad things about the track times are true

[MattyO 62]

But so are all the good things: both "Bad Dates" and "The Poisoning" in the same cue, both "Indy Rides The Statue" and "Discovery of the Ark" in the same set, complete "Short Round Helps", complete "Bridge Confrontation", complete "Indy's Very First Adventure", complete Crusade finale, including "Right Choice, Wrong Choice". I know I've done my fair share of complaining about this set, but I think it's time to just forget about what might be/is wrong with it and instead focus on everything that's right about it. Who could have predicted this time last year that we would be getting over 40 minutes of unreleased material from Temple of Doom! That in itself is wonderful enough. I say bring on November 11.