Quintus 5,399 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I wanna know how you see it.Forget David Arnold, this has Barry written all over it. <----Casino Royale SPOILER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Screw the lawyers, John Barry it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 My understanding has always been that Norman composed the theme, and Barry just did the memorable arrangement of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 That is how I see it, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 And me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Norman might have "written" it, but Barry is responsible for what it is. They should share credit, but the lawyers will never agree that of course. Just listening to "Good Sign, Bad Sign" shows that Norman had the theme down per se, but if it wasn't for Barry, it wouldn't be nearly as memorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 My understanding has always been that Norman composed the theme, and Barry just did the memorable arrangement of it.Define that in more detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I know the whole dispute, but when I think Bond, I think Barry. To me, it just sounds like Norman was pissed he got booted off the film and wanted to take someone with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Monty Norman wrote the Bond theme. Yes, the end result is covered in Barry goodness, and the original Norman version might have been awful, but he wrote the melody, and I'm afraid that's all there is to it.My understanding has always been that Norman composed the theme, and Barry just did the memorable arrangement of it.Define that in more detail.Gullwingdoors comment is perfectly self explanatory. No further definition needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Norman was good at Jamaican music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Barry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Three blind mice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Monty Norman definitely composed it, but there's a lot more to music than notes on a page. Man, I don't know nothin' about music, technically speaking; but I know enough to know that.Orchestration, arrangement, and performance count for a heck of a lot. It's like how every once in a while a cover version of a song becomes far more loved and important than the original version. If Band X writes and performs a song that is later covered by Band Y, who does a far superior version and becomes world famous for it, then from that point forward, it's a Band Y song. Doesn't matter what Band X did.Now, that said, I've never actually heard whatever version it was that Norman himself orchestrated for the movie. I'd want to hear that version before I declared any sort of final opinion. Because for all I know, it could have been all right there on the page, and Barry really did do nothing more than tweak it and conduct it. If that's the case, then Norman deserves not just the royalties -- which he deserves regardless -- but also a lot more of the credit than he currently gets. If not, then I'd say the success of the piece is much more due to Barry than it is to Norman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Norman was good at Jamaican music.Well, if you say so. Having lived there the first 16 years of my life, I would say differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Dunno, it's just what I've heard on the soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 Monty Norman wrote the Bond theme. Yes, the end result is covered in Barry goodness, and the original Norman version might have been awful, but he wrote the melody, and I'm afraid that's all there is to it.My understanding has always been that Norman composed the theme, and Barry just did the memorable arrangement of it.Define that in more detail.Gullwingdoors comment is perfectly self explanatory. No further definition needed.Indeed, I was merely wondering if anyone knew just how 'badly' arranged the theme was, until Barry got hold of it. Anyway as for me, I tend to credit Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Barry for me.Dr. No is the worse score of James bond. (welll Goldeneye...)Its source music all over...Wasnt the score orchestrated by Barry?We all know what THAT can mean in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Barry for me.Dr. No is the worse score of James bond. (welll Goldeneye...)Its source music all over...Wasnt the score orchestrated by Barry?We all know what THAT can mean in some cases.Dr No has very decent score, however most of it didn't end up on the official album that is full of source cues and rejected material (some of which is very good, for that matter - e.g. "Jamaican Rock", "Twisting with James"...).It's Norman who wrote the main theme=melody (the four ascending notes and that dum di-di dum thing), so the theme of James Bond is his . But "The James Bond Theme" (the 1st track from Dr No's album) is a John Barry composition (with many elements not present in Norman's source material), based on Norman's theme, in the same way as - for example - "The Bike Chase" from Tomorrow Never Dies is Arnold's cue, which is also mostly based on Norman's them (not to mention "The Name is Bond, James Bond" from Casino Royale, which is credited to Arnold, even though its almost note for note copy of "The James Bond Theme").@ Quint - you wrote "Court case/s or not, who do you personally associate the 007 theme with"... - "007 Theme" is Barry's theme written for From Russia With Love, so the poll's topic is slightly misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 Ah sorry, I wasn't aware that "007" was a specific cue from that movie. I'm basically referring to the bond theme in general, as everybody knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I got confused by the naming before too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 If that's the case, then Norman deserves not just the royalties -- which he deserves regardless -- but also a lot more of the credit than he currently gets.Well Norman does get the credit he deserves. In the credits of every Bond film it says, "Theme composed by Monty Norman." I honestly don't care who wrote it, because regardless it is one of the greatest themes ever composed, and I'm just gonna enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Additional Music: John Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Ah sorry, I wasn't aware that "007" was a specific cue from that movie. I'm basically referring to the bond theme in general, as everybody knows it.I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I will say this, if it wasn't for John Barry's involvement we wouldn't be having this discussion and perhaps Barry himself wouldn't be in the public's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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