Schindler's List 4CD Recording Sessions

[King Mark 3,631]

thanks I'll add those also

[Henry B 50]

I've finally broken down all the "Schindler's Workforce" business.

The Money Exchange:

2m3-3m1 tk36 (d1 t8) - original version

2m3-3m1 tk37 (d1 t9) - revision #1; replaces first 3:10 of original with 0:54 of new material based on main theme

2m3-3m1 tk38 (d1 t10 0:00-0:24) - botched take

2m3-3m1 tk39 (d1 t10 0:24-end) - revision #2; opening sustained note is much longer and other tempo variations in first 1:03, clarinet figure at 2:34 is deleted, clarinet figure at 3:20 is transposed downward by a minor 10th

2m3-3m1 tk40 (d1 t11) - revision #3; clarinet figure at 2:43 is reinstated, clarinet figure at 3:29 is transposed upward by a minor 3rd (making it an octave below the tk37 version)

2m3-3m1 tk63 & 64 - revision #4; includes only opening main theme material and extends it from 1:05 to 1:43

Recruiting:

3m1B tk41 & 42

Album version:

2m3-3m1 (tk63)

2m3-3m1 (tk36) 3:10-3:55

3m1 (tk40) 1:48-3:10

3m1 (tk38-39) 3:34-end

3m1B (tk42) 2:35-7:00

3m1B (tk41) 7:00-7:56

3m1B (tk42) 7:56-end

Film version:

2m3-3m1 (tk63) or 64 0:00-1:43

2m3-3m1 (tk37 or 40 but 37 for end) 3:10-5:43

3m1B (tk41 or 42) 0:47-end

So in short, aside from small adjustments to the timing and orchestration (notably the clarinet part, as described above), there are two major revisions to "The Money Exchange." The first replaces much of the cue with the main theme. The second extends the main theme by about 38 seconds. Therefore, I believe the album track "Schindler's Workforce" presents the definitive edit of this cue. Tk36 should be considered a major alternative cue because it contains over three minutes of unique material. For completeness, you could also include takes 37, 39 and 40 because of the differences in orchestration and the shorter version of the main theme.

"Recruiting" is cut in both the film and album; the first 0:47 in the film and the first 2:35 on the album. The album segues into "Recruiting" at 4:17. Borrow the clean ending of "The Money Exchange" from tk40. Then mix "Recruiting" onto the final note. Use either take, but preferably tk42 because the album's version of "Recruiting" will resume with that take. Edit back to the album around 2:35 into "Recruiting" (about 4:19 total time).

[Score 770]

Hey what a great idea taking the design of the list.. looking forward to the finished covers

although it seems to be a little macabre actuallly writing the names (John Williams..) in that style......

That's why i'm not sure about it...

It would fit much better if used for the recording sessions, with all those numbers (1m3....) and the take number. And many " (commas) since there are many repeated tracknames.

the 1m2,1m3,2m4....etc, what are they called? Reel name, Cue...?

The first number is the reel number, "M" stands for "music" and the second number is the ordinal number of the music cue in the reel. For example, 1M3 means "the third music cue in the first reel", 7M2 means "the second music cue in the seventh reel". Some composers (like Morricone) follow a different convention, and if they write 7M18, it would mean "the 18th music cue from the beginning of the film, appearing in reel 7". Another point to be kept in mind is that the length of a reel changed during the years. Several decades ago, a reel lasted 20 minutes, while today it lasts 10 minutes.

I wanted to point this out just in the case someone didn't know this and was puzzled by those strange codes accompanying the cues.

[fommes 153]

Henry, thanks very much for this! Looking forward to do this based on your list.

I think I'll make one definitive CD, and then two or three CDs with alternates as 'alternate' albums (so only one alternate version of a cue on each CD). I did sort of the same with Return of the Jedi, make an alternate album with the extra cues, and it works great. Not that anyone cares

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Luke, I've updated the track list with take numbers where possible.

Damn, since the thread augmented a page in so little time i missed this post.

Thanks!

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Dear god, the editing is very hard in Schindler's Workforce and I could have done more.

in the 1st i cant seem to find the proper end and with the second, i juast can make it work a cut so in middle of a cue...

Since mixing OST and recordings sessions i noticed that the sessions are usually louder.

Should i amplify the OST or down-plify the sessions?

The end credits go: piano from OST + piano extension + rest of the OST or just the piano extension in the end of the OST cue?

Jewish town was unused,right? where should it go chronologically?

[Henry B 50]

I would change the session volume to match the OST. It's not consistent, so take a cue by cue approach.

The piano extension goes at the end of the piano part of the credits. "Jewish Town" is a concert suite.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

OK thanks

[BurgaFlippinMan 7]

You guys are just incredibly dedicated...even looking at the tracklist of the cue codes makes me go dizzy

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Isnt 'Remembrances with Itzak Perlman' from the OST, 20m4 End Credits from the sessions?

[Henry B 50]

Yes. It looks like it was originally intended for the end credits but was replaced with a version without solo violin. That's fine with me. Two big violin pieces in a row is too much.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Here are the Covers, I hope you Like them :cool:

They are for the Henry Buck Edit

Front:

Inside:

Back:

[Henry B 50]

Awesome! The inside cover isn't showing up, though.

"Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav" isn't source music, by the way. It's a licensed recording from... somewhere (I may find out soon), but it functions as underscore in the film as nobody is singing or playing a guitar.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Awesome! The inside cover isn't showing up, though.

"Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav" isn't source music, by the way. It's a licensed recording from... somewhere (I may find out soon), but it functions as underscore in the film as nobody is singing or playing a guitar.

ah, ok i'll change it.

I have problems with the inside cover :/ it uploads small. I'll try to fix it.

Henry i was checking the DVD for Gloomy sunday since Miguel said it appears twice, and the only take to feature the violinist is take 95, that should be the one used for the track that comes after schindler workforce.

And then one alternate can be used in the 2nd CD.

EDIT: I have another suggestion after checking the movie

I would put on the complete score the Piano End Credits and then Remembrances, as it does in the movie.

It seems the piano 'overlay' is more and insert or extension thought later maybe in case the end credits were longer

[Henry B 50]

Thanks; I'll update the "Gloomy Sunday" stuff.

The end credits? Eh... It's hard to tell what exactly Williams wanted; it seems like "End Credits Extension" should go after "End Credits Piano Overlay," despite their order on the set. At least, it does on the OST. From a listening perspective, I think my ordering sounds better because the last cue from the film is the main theme. Would you rather follow it with another version of the main theme or "Remembrances"?

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Thanks; I'll update the "Gloomy Sunday" stuff.

The end credits? Eh... It's hard to tell what exactly Williams wanted; it seems like "End Credits Extension" should go after "End Credits Piano Overlay," despite their order on the set. At least, it does on the OST. From a listening perspective, I think my ordering sounds better because the last cue from the film is the main theme. Would you rather follow it with another version of the main theme or "Remembrances"?

I dont know, that is how it is in the movie... It really works in the movie, starting the credits with the solo. I'll have to check the socre in isolated form.

Anyway, Williams, in the OST put the last cue of the movie - footage as 1st track... This particular score is way out of order, he usually puts the end credits correctly.

(I had not any issues with the order of Piano overlay + Credits extension)

UPDATE:

I noticed that the most different version from the vocal of Milosc ci wszystko wybaczy is the take 99 with some pizzicato, but in the end has some talk of certain old man , it can be diminished by fading out that exact part and the volume lowerage of the whole cue.

take 71 (flute intro end credits) have a wooden boink in the last seconds. You can use the end from take 68.

I updated the covers, i uploaded an unfinished version of the front covers, without Williams name, now fixed. The Back cover has a new thanks credits for all the people that made this edit and covers possible.

[Henry B 50]

PM if you're interested in the film version of "Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav" and the DVD rip of "Hebrew Prayer."

[fommes 153]

Interesting musician's site with recorded Schindler's List pieces - with Cello!

Remembrances, both with cello & piano and cello & orchestra.

Jewish Town, cello & piano.

http://www.adamsatinsky.com/audio.php

(in 128 kbps)

[Corellian2019 386]

Can anyone tell me what music is featured on this bootleg that isn't already on the OST? Or at least have a decent set of track titles?

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Source Music:

Tangos: Por una cabeza and Celos

Gloomy sunday

Deine Augen Sind Dein Herz

In einen Kleinen Café in Hernals

Milosc ci wszystko wybaczy

Nazi march drum beats

 

Unreleased parts of schindler workforce

Immolation without chorus

I could have done more (insert)

Piano en credits overlay (extended)

Alternate end credits overlay (clarinet instead of piano)

Almost all of the source coues have several takes with differemt orchestration.

thats pretty much everything

[Corellian2019 386]

Oh, okay, great! And I assume all the music from the OST is included on this set as well, right?

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Oh, okay, great! And I assume all the music from the OST is included on this set as well, right?

no there was one or two cues missing.

I think 'theme from schindler's list' Track 1 is one of them.

See if this can help you assembling the score:

the numbers on the right side of the tracknames are the slate numbers and the ones at the latter's right are the source of the takes (OST, number of take from the recording sessions)

[Josh500 1,615]

Hey is Por Una Cabeza ripped from the movie?

I've always liked this version.

And no, it's not the same as the one JW recorded with Perlman a few years later (Cinema Serenade). They're just similar.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

there are 3 or 4 takes of that tango in the recording sessions. Williams conducted.

[Josh500 1,615]

there are 3 or 4 takes of that tango in the recording sessions. Williams conducted.

OK, I need to have that!

[Henry B 50]

This bootleg is the complete Boston recording sessions. There were additional sessions in Toronto: these may have included the "Immolation" choir, the film version of "I Could Have Done More" and the film/album version of "The Perlman Family" (main theme on guitar, the second half of "Stolen Memories" on the album). I don't know the source of the film version of "Oyf'n Pripetshok" (with piano). The film version of "Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav" was probably licensed from this soundtrack.

[Josh500 1,615]

Do you have this bootleg? Where did you get it?

[MissPadmé 17]

It is available on the net, also on filesharing, or soulseek

[Corellian2019 386]

Josh, check your PM.

[TownerFan 4,983]

This bootleg is the complete Boston recording sessions. There were additional sessions in Toronto: these may have included the "Immolation" choir, the film version of "I Could Have Done More" and the film/album version of "The Perlman Family" (main theme on guitar, the second half of "Stolen Memories" on the album). I don't know the source of the film version of "Oyf'n Pripetshok" (with piano). The film version of "Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav" was probably licensed from this soundtrack.

Oh, I always wanted to know where the film version of "Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav" was taken from! Thanks!

Also, wasn't part of the score recorded in L.A.? I always thought the Boston sessions were only the cues with Perlman as the soloist, while the rest of the score was recorded in L.A.

[Henry B 50]

The Boston sessions include all the Perlman recordings but also the bulk of the score and source music.

[TownerFan 4,983]

The booklet of the Schindler CD says:

Recorded at Sony Scoring Stage, Culver City, CA

and Symphony Hall, Boston. MA

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

The booklet of the Schindler CD says:

Recorded at Sony Scoring Stage, Culver City, CA

and Symphony Hall, Boston. MA

True, and its noted when it's 'Perlman accompained by members of the boston symphony'

[Admiral Holdo 16]

If I can offer a correction to this list? (yeah yeah, bumping an old thread but I really don't care) It appears the Theme Reprise and Remembrances should go backwards.

Also, if I can ask a... hypothetical question?

I have a few hypothetical tracks, one a hypothetical insert for a track called 'I Could Have Done More' and two hypothetical tracks called 'Recorder Theme' (I take it one is JW's hypothetically preferred take). Where would I place the hypothetical insert into 'Done More' proper, and where might this hypothetical correct take of this hypothetical 'Recorder Theme' be placed in the score? I assume it's some hypothetical alternate?

...hypothetically speaking, of course.

[Diego 21]

The problem about bumping this particular thread is that is against the "not so new" rules.

[Admiral Holdo 16]

Oh, I know the rules - but we're not talking about bootlegs. We're talking about completely hypothetical situations.

You know, the kind that takes the word to almost satirical proportions.

[Richard Penna 3,683]

The problem about bumping this particular thread is that is against the "not so new" rules.

If the rules were there/enforced for any legit reason, this thread wouldn't exist. I tend not to worry.

[King Mark 3,631]

It's an hypothetical track list anyways

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

If I can offer a correction to this list? (yeah yeah, bumping an old thread but I really don't care) It appears the Theme Reprise and Remembrances should go backwards.

I think i checked it with the DVD, and it goes like that.

OR i didnt want to play two times in a row the Main theme.

can you check the dvd now?

[Henry B 50]

The film has "Theme from Schindler's List (Reprise)" followed by "Remembrances." But, if I remember correctly, it cuts the orchestral ending of "Reprise" and puts it after "Remembrances." There's some sort of edit, I know.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

The film has "Theme from Schindler's List (Reprise)" followed by "Remembrances." But, if I remember correctly, it cuts the orchestral ending of "Reprise" and puts it after "Remembrances." There's some sort of edit, I know.

ok then that's the explanation.

best listening experience, and the end credits in the cd end woth the same music as in the film...

[Henry B 50]

I don't think it's necessarily a bad listening experience to bookend "Theme from Schindler's List" with "Reprise." Sometimes it's good to hear something twice, don't you think? I try not to be so worried by musical symmetry.

The "I Could Have Done More" insert should be faded into the album track at 2:15 and rejoined at 4:41 (around 2:25 in the insert track). That's really a simplified explanation of how to edit it, though. It takes a lot of tweaking to get a natural sound.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

you know...i just checked my cd and cover, and i placed it as the film...

I made a different cover for me, that's the one i made for you with your preferred tracklist, i think you were the one not wanting the two main themes together

It seems we both changed our minds.

[Henry B 50]

Well, this is embarrassing.

[Admiral Holdo 16]

Thank you lots Henry! I'll get to work on that right away... hypothetically speaking.

Incidentally, anyone know where the 'Recorder Theme' is supposed to go? ...hypothetically?

[Henry B 50]

No idea.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

is it the flute piece?

I think it is an alternate to the piano end credits.

[Oskar 77]

I haven't been able to find the film version of "OYF'N Pripetshok" anywhere, so it's possible the piano accompaniment was devised by Williams or his orchestrators (and recorded in Chicago) rather than licensed.

Don't know for sure if this was already common knowledge, but I just found out that it was licensed from the film 'Billy Bathgate', music by Mark Isham.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

You are still alive?

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

You were making out during Schindler's List?