Label Threads The Official Intrada Thread

[Wojo 2,453]

A complete Dracula in mono is better than no complete Dracula ever.

Although I wouldn't mind Tadlow and Naxos taking a crack at some of these Williams scores once the inevitable happens.

[Ollie 1,059]

John Morgan did mention once, at FSM, that he would like to do a recording of Williams' disaster music. I wouldn't mind seeing them do a recording of The Poseiden Adventure. The FSM release is excellent but as is the case the surviving stereo cues aren't as good as the ones only available in mono. I would love a stereo version of the End Title, It's a powerful piece by Williams.

[TownerFan 4,991]

Yes, it would be a shame if stereo masters are lost or destroyed. But if it's the only way to release, so be it.

Anyway, I'd like to revisit an old topic here: is the original Dracula album a re-recording or not? After seeing the film recently, it seems to my ears that the film recording is exactly the same.

[steb74 53]

John Morgan did mention once, at FSM, that he would like to do a recording of Williams' disaster music. I wouldn't mind seeing them do a recording of The Poseiden Adventure. The FSM release is excellent but as is the case the surviving stereo cues aren't as good as the ones only available in mono. I would love a stereo version of the End Title, It's a powerful piece by Williams.

If I remember correctly, the music from The Poseidon Adventure special edition DVD from a few years ago sounded alot better than the FSM release, which has kept me (until now) silently hoping that this incredible score gets re-released.

I know there was an article explaining why The Towering Inferno is doubtful to be released again but I don't know if those reasons applied to The Poseidon Adventure??

I paid a small fortune for those two scores and would never publicly reveal how much but they are without doubt two of my favourite scores ever.

[Jay 37,415]

So to sum up.... two releases:

-1 is limited to 1500 units

-The other is unlimited and Roger is "Not sure how well [it] will go with folks over here, though."

Both are scores that previously had an LP release, but the new Intrada versions are expanded.

-1 is a 2CD set with the stereo LP on CD1 and the complete score in mono on CD2

-The other is (presumably) a 1CD release, containing an original LP configuration plus bonus tracks

In terms of John Williams scores, these clues rule out Family Plot.

Possible candidates:

-Earthquake (1974)

-The Eiger Sanction (1975)

-The Missouri Breaks (1976)

-Jaws 2 (1978)

-Dracula (1979)

I really doubt that the stereo masters would be lost for any of those though, so I doubt it's a John Williams release.

I'm almost ruling out that either release would be anything I'd be interested in, but since one is an unlimited release.... I'm sure it's SOMETHING that a lot of film score fans would clamor for. Probably something early 70's or earlier.

[Ollie 1,059]

Yes, it would be a shame if stereo masters are lost or destroyed. But if it's the only way to release, so be it.

Anyway, I'd like to revisit an old topic here: is the original Dracula album a re-recording or not? After seeing the film recently, it seems to my ears that the film recording is exactly the same.

For the longest time I thought it was a re-recording but according to others in the film score community, it isn't. It's been years since I've seen th film and from what I can remember the music is close to the album.

If I remember correctly, the music from The Poseidon Adventure special edition DVD from a few years ago sounded alot better than the FSM release, which has kept me (until now) silently hoping that this incredible score gets re-released.

I know there was an article explaining why The Towering Inferno is doubtful to be released again but I don't know if those reasons applied to The Poseidon Adventure??

I paid a small fortune for those two scores and would never publicly reveal how much but they are without doubt two of my favourite scores ever.

I don't know what sources they used for the DVD. It may have been a pre-existing sound effects/music track or maybe they found something new, but Lukas Kendall's liner notes gave me the impression they salvaged all they could in stereo at the time.

[steb74 53]

I don't know what sources they used for the DVD. It may have been a pre-existing sound effects/music track or maybe they found something new, but Lukas Kendall's liner notes gave me the impression they salvaged all they could in stereo at the time.

Absolutely, I have no doubt LK used the best source material at the time. I'm just wondering, no ...hoping it's a similar situation to the Rhino/FSM Superman scores in that now, a good few years after the FSM score release, higher quality source material is available.

I too love the end title, fingers crossed anyway

Also Mark, I don't know if you bought the special editions of The Towering Inferno and The Poseidon Adventure but I'd certainly recommend them.

[Ollie 1,059]

Oh yes, I have both DVD's.

[steb74 53]

Oh yes, I have both DVD's.

Ha, I thought I'd read before that you did ...good lad

[Diego 21]

Could the unlimited one be Masada?

[Ollie 1,059]

Well Masada was released in 1980 so it's possible. Lalo Schifrin's score to Caveman was released in mono and the film is from 1981.

[Jay 37,415]

Ooooh oooh Roger posted more clues!!!

The 2-CD set is from the 70s.

The single disc unlimited release is from the 80s.

Sorry guys...you're getting obsessed with THE DEEP now...it must have replaced BTTF as a most wanted grail. But this is not THE DEEP.

Neither title has been on CD before.

So now we know it's:

RELEASE 1: Limited to 1500 units, a score from that 70's that has never been released on CD before. Disc 1 contains the Stereo LP, and disc 2 contains the complete score in mono.

RELEASE 2: An unlimited single disc release, a score from the 80's that has never been released on CD before. There are bonus tracks in addition to the original LP tracks. Roger is "Not sure how well [it] will go with folks over here, though."

Other than the fact that neither is a John Williams score for sure, I have no ideas. What score from the 80's that never had a CD release before, but did have an LP, would warrant an unlimited release now?

[Diego 21]

Well I can't think of anything that hasn't been released on CD that would interest me too much.

[Jay 37,415]

Same here. Unless SpaceCamp counts because it wasn't released on CD "in the US"

[Charlie Brigden 7]

Not even GREMLINS?

[Ollie 1,059]

Gremlins was released on CD, albeit 15 minutes worth.

[Wojo 2,453]

An unlimited Intrada is probably worth a look.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

Gremlins was released on CD, albeit 15 minutes worth.

Oh, ok, I didn't realise it had a CD release.

[Ollie 1,059]

Yep, it was just the original LP release paired with songs.

An unlimited Intrada is probably worth a look.

Yeah, the unlimited part has me thinking it will be something I might possibly want.

[Jay 37,415]

Exactly, which is why it's perplexing that something they think will sell well now never had a CD release back in the day from the original label. Hmmmmm.

[Ollie 1,059]

Unless it was recorded overseas and the reuse fees allow for an unlimited pressing.

But Roger also mentioned it was one that wouldn't go over well.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

This is a shot in the dark and probably completely wrong, but YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES? Maybe Roger thinks it won't go over well because they already released the promo and people have probably made a bit of money for it, with the way people sometimes react when limited editions are reissued. But I'm probably talking out of my behind.

[Kendal_Ozzel 36]

I thought the Zimmer theory made sense, but is there any 80s Zimmer that was only released on LP?

[Ollie 1,059]

This is a shot in the dark and probably completely wrong, but YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES? Maybe Roger thinks it won't go over well because they already released the promo and people have probably made a bit of money for it, with the way people sometimes react when limited editions are reissued. But I'm probably talking out of my behind.

Well it would also upset people because it's only one disc, the promo fills out two discs, around 90 minutes or so.

As for the 70's release, I can think of quite a few.

[Diego 21]

Very strange that it wouldn't go well (meaning it would not sell well??) yet it's unlimited.

[Jay 37,415]

Roger's exact quote is "Not sure how well the MAF release will go with folks over here, though." That can be interpreted in many different ways, and he could even be being completely sarcastic. I dunno.

[Ollie 1,059]

Someone suggested The Shining for the MAF release. I know it's mostly synths with a small ensemble at times so the fees would be non existent.

And it would be my luck seeing as I just recently bought both of Wendy Carlos's Rediscovering Lost Scores discs that feature all of her original work on the film.

As far as big name composers, Jerry Goldsmith's The Lonely Guy was released on LP in the 80's with songs but never saw a CD release, although I'm not sure if the LP was a promo at it is only 18 minutes of material. And John Barry's Legend Of The Lone Ranger was only a LP release at 26 minutes.

[Marian Schedenig 8,218]

Roger's exact quote is "Not sure how well the MAF release will go with folks over here, though." That can be interpreted in many different ways, and he could even be being completely sarcastic. I dunno.

How about "over here" meaning the US? Has Intrada ever released a non-US score? I imagine there'd be no reuse fees, so an unlimited release would perhaps be easy.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

I'm fairly certain there are no LP-only Zimmer scores, aside from some of the work he did with Stanley Myers back then. But even I think that music is awful.

[Wojo 2,453]

The Concert John Barry never received a CD release.

[TownerFan 4,991]

This is a shot in the dark and probably completely wrong, but YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES? Maybe Roger thinks it won't go over well because they already released the promo and people have probably made a bit of money for it, with the way people sometimes react when limited editions are reissued. But I'm probably talking out of my behind.

I think you nailed it, Charlie. I thought the same title when I read "unlimited release from the 80s". As Mark said, it wouldn't go very well because the majority of the people would like an official release of the 2-CD complete score promo Intrada put out a few years ago.

However, YSH original album is a great one, a wonderful and rounded listening experience containing all the major highlights from the score.

[MattyO 62]

Roger did say both titles were EXPANDED LP presentations, so even if it is Young Sherlock Holmes, it will likely be more than the 36 minute LP. This suggests his "might not go down well" comment would be because it isn't the complete score. If it is YSH I'll definitely be picking it up.

[Ollie 1,059]

So I guess it's going to be either an all synth score, something from outside of the US or an expanded album that should contain more music but won't.

[Trent B 337]

How could it be Young Sherlock Holmes if that one all ready got a limited promo release by Intrada all ready? It was stated that neither score ever had a CD release, so that sort of rules out Young Sherlock Holmes doesn't it?

[Ollie 1,059]

Possibly, but since the promo wasn't an official release it could fit the clues.

I would think and hope, given the fact that the labels try to make releases as thorough as possible, that a 2 disc YSH is in the pipeline to be released in future.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,587]

I should have written "buggy" as an adjective. The Day of the Locust and Meet the Applegates are bug-themed movies.

"The Day Of The Locust" has NOTHING to do with bugs! It's about Hollywood.

Yes, it would be a shame if stereo masters are lost or destroyed. But if it's the only way to release, so be it.

Anyway, I'd like to revisit an old topic here: is the original Dracula album a re-recording or not? After seeing the film recently, it seems to my ears that the film recording is exactly the same.

It's half-and half. The "Main Title" is certainly re-recorded.

For the longest time I thought it was a re-recording but according to others in the film score community, it isn't. It's been years since I've seen th film and from what I can remember the music is close to the album.

If I remember correctly, the music from The Poseidon Adventure special edition DVD from a few years ago sounded alot better than the FSM release, which has kept me (until now) silently hoping that this incredible score gets re-released.

I know there was an article explaining why The Towering Inferno is doubtful to be released again but I don't know if those reasons applied to The Poseidon Adventure??

I paid a small fortune for those two scores and would never publicly reveal how much but they are without doubt two of my favourite scores ever.

There is a reason that the "P.A." score sounded better than the FSM release: it is in stereo! "T.T.I." is one of my all-time top-ten J.W. scores, and always will be.

I don't know what sources they used for the DVD. It may have been a pre-existing sound effects/music track or maybe they found something new, but Lukas Kendall's liner notes gave me the impression they salvaged all they could in stereo at the time.

Could the unlimited one be Masada?

I'm almost popping my cork at the thought of a complete "Masada".

Yep, it was just the original LP release paired with songs.

An unlimited Intrada is probably worth a look.

There is a fairly "clean" boot of "Gremlins", which also has a couple of "Twilight Zone: The Movie Tracks" on it. Can't say I play it often, though-never liked the film.

Yeah, the unlimited part has me thinking it will be something I might possibly want.

[Ollie 1,059]

Whoa, need to fix your post, the quoting and replies are all mixed together.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,587]

Yeah, I know. Sorry about that.

[John Crichton 4]

I'm really glad one's going to be unlimited, my money isn't going to be able to flow as freely the next couple of months.

[Ollie 1,059]

We should be due for one more FSM release this month.

[John Crichton 4]

Bah! I hope it's crap!

[Wojo 2,453]

I should have written "buggy" as an adjective. The Day of the Locust and Meet the Applegates are bug-themed movies.

"The Day Of The Locust" has NOTHING to do with bugs! It's about Hollywood.

I can tell you that both these releases will drive you buggy.

http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3224&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75

[davros72 1]

Last clues from Roger, apparently...

The 70s title is...and this is a big hint...it's a sequel. That will be my last clue on that one.

And the 80s title is a manly title. My last clue there was well.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

I'm sure people will be able to guess, but I've got no clue.

[Ollie 1,059]

I have a feeling the 70's might be Elmer Bernstein's The Trial Of Billy Jack.

As for the 80's title, how about Manhunter? I could see that one not going over too well.

[Joe Brausam 215]

A Bernstein would certainly be welcome by me.

[Jay 37,415]

I have a feeling the 70's might be Elmer Bernstein's The Trial Of Billy Jack.

According to wikipedia, that film is 2 hours and 50 minutes long. Would the complete score to it really be under 80 minutes long?

As for the 80's title, how about Manhunter? I could see that one not going over too well.

According to soundtrackcollector, that score never had an LP release. There was an LP, but it was a song collection

[Ollie 1,059]

Remember, films in the 70's didn't require wall to wall music. There were plenty of long films that had anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes of music.

And this is what Soundtrack Collector says about Manhunter:

Original LP soundtrack, deleted early due to failure of the movie at the USA box-office.

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=29514

The LP lists the composers and their tracks on there as well as songs.

And I'm just guessing based on some of the clues and LP's that have been released.

[Jay 37,415]

Exactly - that's a song collection. The film's score was composed by Michael Rubini, and only one track on there, "Graham's Theme", is from him. Though, I suppose that does technically make it a possibility.

[Ollie 1,059]

The 70's score could also be Charles Bernstein's Gator, which is a sequel to White Lightening.