Re-recordings of your favourite scores.

[Naïve Old Fart 13,024]

There have, in recent years, been a number of re-recordings of film scores. It seems that everyone from Waxman, and Herrmann (an awful lot of them), Korngold, Gold, and Rosza, to Barry, and even good ole J.W. himself, have been given the treatment. Which of these does the estimable JWfan site think are worthy residents in one's c.d. collection, and which ones should be ignored at all cost, and why?

Personally, I have not heard many of the OSTs of these re-recordings, except on the films that they support - along with a lot of surperfluous vocal and sound effects tracks - which is why I am grateful to the orchestras that re-record them. How acurate are these new recordings? Do they reflect the OST? Should they seek to emulate the OST, or, by being divorced from the films, take on a different sort of value, by being pure music?

Answers on...

[Ollie 1,375]

Ignore Varese's recording of Jaws. Just awful.

The Midway recording is so-so with some tempo issues.

The ones I would absolutely recommend to get.

Anything by William Stromberg and John Morgan on Marco Polo/Naxos or their Tribute label are worth getting.

McNeely's recordings of Bernard Herrmann's music for Varese & Bruce Broughton's 3 Excalibur recordings for Intrada are outstanding as well.

The Gerhart recordings are pretty good as well, but those are a pick and choose.

[crocodile 9,724]

What about Varese's Superman? I myself can't decide whether it's a good one or not.

My favourite re-recording ever is the album I use as my avatar (and probably my favourite album ever). I mean it is all that the original was, and better All Herrmann's re-recordings from McNeely are at least good. My least favourite would be Psycho.

I also like the Goldsmith's recordings of Alex North's scores. I'm not really all that familiar with the originals.

El Cid received a very good treatment a couple of years ago. I'm not a fan of City of Prague Philharmonic, but some of their versions are good. Nino Rota's Romeo & Juliet, for instance. Generally they tend to be better with complete scores than compilations.

Overall there seems to be this obsession with matching tempos, which I don't understand. I,for one, don't buy re-recordings for receation of film score, but for different interpretation of the piece. And this is the only sensible way to go.

Karol

[Ollie 1,375]

I forgot to add Tadlow's recordings of Sherlock Holmes, El Cid and Exodus.

The John Debney Superman is pretty good but the Rhino and Blue Box make it unnecessary, in my opinion. And Silva's John Barry recordings are very good as well, Raise The Titanic, Robin & Marian, The Last Valley and The Lion In Winter.

I have problems when the tempo is too slow. It's impossible to get the tempo exactly as it was in the film but when they go too slow I have an issue with it.

[crocodile 9,724]

I have problems when the tempo is too slow. It's impossible to get the tempo exactly as it was in the film but when they go too slow I have an issue with it.

You mean like Debney's Back to the Future?

Karol

[fommes 165]

One of my favourites is Silva's The Big Country. Make sure you got the right issue though; there's an updated main titles or something.

[Datameister 2,586]

I avoid anything recorded by the Prague Philharmonic. ::shudders::

[OneBuckFilms 517]

The Varese limited edition of North By Northwest complete score is absolutely superb.

Varese's Superman re-recording is great, I love it.

There are two things that hurt it:

- Rhino's Superman 2 CD release.

- The Blue Box (which I have yet to obtain).

Beyond that, it was a marked improvement over the LP (sans 2 cues) we had before, and I still enjoy listening to it.

[Trent B 354]

I have problems when the tempo is too slow. It's impossible to get the tempo exactly as it was in the film but when they go too slow I have an issue with it.

You mean like Debney's Back to the Future?

Karol

I was about to mention that...I know they went with most of the early version of the cues for the re-recordings but still...after listening to the original early cues, the tempo is still too slow for the most part.

[Wojo 2,458]

I'm usually fine with re-recordings. If it's the only way to enjoy an old score or the most complete version of a score, like King Kong, Korngold's Robin Hood, El Cid, Exodus, The Sea Hawk, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, etc., I love them and don't care about the difference.

A different tempo is not necessarily "wrong," because the re-recording is not meant to accompany a film. As a standalone piece of music, it's up the conductor's discretion (or ability of the orchestra) as to how to best interpret the score. So the Gerhardt and Utah Star Wars albums work well as complements to the original recordings, and I can appreciate them as such.

That being said, I never had a reason to pick up the re-recording of Jaws since I've got the 25th anniversary. I never picked up the Superman because I owned the Rhino and now the FSM box. I never bought the Back to the Future because I held out hope for something better (thanks Intrada!). I extracted the isolated score from North by Northwest but never listen to it, so the re-recording is not something I want to invest in yet. And in stores, I see the Last of the Mohicans OST beside the re-recording, and only want one, and never know which one to buy.

Film score fans are "spoiled" in that they are used to the original recordings, which are available for most of our favorite films. Some filmmakers from as far back as the 1930s kept the masters in perfect shape, so we have lavish treatments of such old scores as The Wizard of Oz and Gone with the Wind. Other film recordings from that age, and even many, many newer ones, unfortunately were not treated with such care, and we either have nothing, or modern-day re-recordings of the original (or reconstructed) score manuscripts. As the vaults run dry or people get more daring, I think we'll see more re-recordings over time.

I'm also a classical music fan. EVERYTHING that I like to listen to is a re-recording. So if I think this performance of Beethoven's Sixth is too slow, I find another performance.

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

The Gerhart recordings are pretty good as well, but those are a pick and choose.

Most of them are outstanding. I might single out the Herrmann album and Star Wars/CE3K as two special highlights.

Salonen has recorded an awesome Herrmann compilation as well. And Kojian's Korngold recordings are fabulous.

[Morn 8]

I quite enjoy Jerry Goldsmith's re-recording of Alex North. Although he has a tendency to play some of it too slowly. Viva Zapata should really have a much higher tempo.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

Gerhardt's Rozsa disc is amazing.

[Maxxie 1]

John Debney's re-recordings of the Back To The Future & Back To The Future: Part II films are quite simply, attrocious...

I shame really, because I usually like John Debney.

[Romão 2,473]

The Gerhart recordings are pretty good as well, but those are a pick and choose.

Most of them are outstanding. I might single out the Herrmann album and Star Wars/CE3K as two special highlights.

Salonen has recorded an awesome Herrmann compilation as well. And Kojian's Korngold recordings are fabulous.

I have all Gerhardt cd's from his Classic Film Scores series and they are all, without exception, outstanding (and I'm particularly fond of the Alfred Newman cd, it opened my ears to this wonderful composer, as well as the Waxman).

I agree 100% with your last sentence. Salonen's Herrmann cd is terific and also very easy to find at cheap prices. Highly recommended.

Most Barry's re-recordings sound very good, which might be due to the fact Barry's music is not particularly challenging for the orchestra.

To those already mentioned, I would also add the re-recording of Bride of Frankenstein and Herrmann's Jane Eyre, one of my favorite Herrmann scores.

[Datameister 2,586]

I'm gonna go against the seeming majority here and say I actually rather like the Debney BTTF recordings. The film recordings are superior, naturally, but I spent so much time hearing the music primarily in the Debney recordings that I'm used to the slower tempi in some parts. Mind you, now that I have the Intrada release, I'll probably never listen to that part of the Debney album again, but I'm just saying...it's not terrible. The orchestra itself sounds fine. Which is more than I can say for some recordings...

[MissPadmé 17]

The Gerhart recordings are pretty good as well, but those are a pick and choose.

Most of them are outstanding. I might single out the Herrmann album and Star Wars/CE3K as two special highlights.

is there another recording of the long CEOT3K suite, or is there just the Gerhart-one?

[Wojo 2,458]

is there another recording of the long CEOT3K suite, or is there just the Gerhart-one?

There's one on the By Request...Boston Pops album, but I don't remember how it compares in length.

[Nick Parker 3,049]

I personally love re-recordings, it is always fascinating to me to see how vastly different men (and sometimes the same man) can interpret the same piece of music(such as Maazel, Previn, Ozawa and Romeo and Juliet). As far as film scores are concerned, I think the "Tribute" series is great (especially Fahrenheit 451), and I love what I have of Gerhardt. The only McNeely recordings I am intimately familiar with are Out of Africa and Jaws, both of which I find pretty dull, unfortunately.

There's one on the By Request...Boston Pops album, but I don't remember how it compares in length.

I think it is the short one (about eight to nine minutes), but I have no idea how long the long one is.

[Romão 2,473]

The Gerhart recordings are pretty good as well, but those are a pick and choose.

Most of them are outstanding. I might single out the Herrmann album and Star Wars/CE3K as two special highlights.

is there another recording of the long CEOT3K suite, or is there just the Gerhart-one?

As far as I know, it is the only recording of the 21 minute-long suite.

The Zubit Mehta re-recording clocks at 12 minutes.

[Xander Harris 9,676]

The BTTF Trilogy performances are slow and arduous to get through, although it was cool at the time because otherwise unreleased music was featured on it. It was worth buying just for the BTTF the Ride track.

[Naïve Old Fart 13,024]

is there another recording of the long CEOT3K suite, or is there just the Gerhart-one?

There's one on the By Request...Boston Pops album, but I don't remember how it compares in length.

The "By Request" c.d., is actually a part-OST, as it contains the original music written for "Inside The Mothership".

I am not aware of any OST, or re-recording, that contains "When You Wish Upon A Star", as part of the end title (excepting the "Special Edition" end title, of course). Can anyone confirm this?

[Ollie 1,375]

is there another recording of the long CEOT3K suite, or is there just the Gerhart-one?

There's one on the By Request...Boston Pops album, but I don't remember how it compares in length.

The "By Request" c.d., is actually a part-OST, as it contains the original music written for "Inside The Mothership".

I am not aware of any OST, or re-recording, that contains "When You Wish Upon A Star", as part of the end title (excepting the "Special Edition" end title, of course). Can anyone confirm this?

The end credits for the special edition, that feature "When You Wish..." is included on the expanded CE3K CD.

The By Request CD does feature the "Inside the Mothership" music in the CE3K suite.

[gkgyver 1,647]

Did you ever listen to "The Music of The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" by the "Hollywood Studio Orchestra"?

Link

It's the most agonizing piece of trash I've ever heard.

[davros72 1]

In general I cannot stand re-recordings...

...except for rare cases when the re-recording is performed as close to the original recording as possible, and the original recording sound quality is somewhat lacking.

For me, this means I've enjoyed the SilvaScreen "Lawrence of Arabia" (though I've made my own chronological list using mostly the original but with only the re-recordings for the "not previously released" bits), as well as Debney's "Somewhere in Time" which to my ear is so damn close to the original it's barely possible to tell the difference. (Especially when I was listening to it when we stayed at the Grand Hotel last summer, what a cool experience that was!)

[Joe Brausam 234]

I don't really understand the animosity shown towards rerecordings. The classical music world thrives on rerecordings, in almost every case there is no one recording that is the authority. Very often when crafting a playlist for, say a symphony, I'm very likely to actually take a movement from one recording, two movements from another, etc. to create my "perfect" recording.

[Erik Woods 841]

Top 10 Film Score Re-Recordings Of All Time.

No particular order... and I'm probably leaving some off the list because I haven't heard them.

- YO-YO MA PERFORMS THE MUSIC OF ENNIO MORRICONE (Ennio Morricone / Sony Classical / Ennio Morricone cond.) An absolutely brilliant album. Take the most popular cello player out there, re-arrange and re-orchestrate your music for solo cello performance and hear your music the way it has never been performed before. Familiar yet totally different. One of my favorite albums of all time.

- VERTIGO (Bernard Herrmann / Varese / Joel McNeely cond.) IMHO, the best re-recording of all time.

- IVANHOE (Miklos Rozsa / Intrada / Bruce Broughton cond.) This recording catapulted my interest of Rozsa into the stratosphere. Great sound, brilliant conducting and a wonderful performance.

- STAR WARS/CLOSE ENCOUNTERS (John Williams / RCA / Charles Gerhardt cond.) This album contains the best performance of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. The 20 minute suite would be my all time favorite re-recording if it weren't for the Vertigo recording.

- THE STAR WARS TRILOGY (John Williams / Varese / Varujan Kojian cond.) The Star Wars trilogy concert versions have never sounded better and for a while two Return of the Jedi cues were recorded that weren't available anywhere else.

- MIKLOS ROZSA CONDUCTS HIS GREAT FILM MUSIC (Miklos Rozsa / Deutsche Grammophon / Miklos Rozsa cond.) Easily the best Rozsa compilation album. He conducts his own music including brilliant performances of Diane, The Thief of Baghdad and Tess... just to name a few. Too bad this is only available on LP but the sound quality is still stellar.

- THE GREAT FANTASY ADVENTURE ALBUM (Various Artists / Telarc / Erich Kunzel cond.) Another compilation but I don't think you'll find a better re-recorded film music compilation out there. This covers everything from the Golden Age; The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad to modern day scores; Jurassic Park and stuff you thought could never be re-recorded; The Terminator. Outstanding sound quality that tests the limits of your sound system, brilliant performances and dead on conducting.

- THE SEA HAWK (Erich Wolfgang Korngold / Marco Polo / William Stromberg cond.) This is the best recording from the Marco Polo/Morgan and Stromberg collaboration. We get the complete score, in brilliant stereo sound, performed by the fantastic Moscow Symphony Orchestra... what else could you possibly want?

- THE FILM SCORES (Bernard Herrmann / Sony Classical / Esa-Pekka Salonan cond.) A wonderful collection of Bernard Herrmann's best scores conducted by the master Esa-Pekka Salonan. There are two highlights - the suite from Psycho and the suite from The Taxi Driver. Wonderfully performed by the LA Philharmonic with fabulous sound quality.

- FRONTIERS (Jerry Goldsmith / Varese / Jerry Goldsmith cond.) A great compilation of Goldsmith's Sci-Fi music performed by The Royal Scottish National Orchestra. But the main reason I point out this album is for the brilliant performance of "The Enterprise" from Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Rarely does a re-recording out do the original but in this instance Goldsmith has done this. The pacing, the performance, the sound quality... it all betters the original soundtrack recording. That splash of cymbals at the point when the Enterprise appears on screen has never sounded better or more powerful.

HONORABLE MENTION

THREE CHORAL SUITES (Miklos Rozsa / Telarc / Erich Kunzel) A labour of love for Erich Kunzel. Take three of the best choral film scores of all time, re-record highlights from each with The Cincinnati Pops and Mormon Tabernacle Choir, have it conducted by one of the best in the biz and what do you get... sheer bliss.

-Erik-

[Jay 46,244]

Great list Erik. I have 3 of your top 10 (Great Fantasy Adventure Album, Kojian's Star Wars trilogy, and Gerhart's SW/CE3K), but you've made me want to check out some of those others (especially Frontiers)

[Ollie 1,375]

If I were to list my top 10:

1. Jason And The Argonauts

2. El Cid

3. Mysterious Island

4. North by Northwest

5. Raise The Titanic

6. King Kong

7. The Trouble With Harry

8. The Last Valley

9. Exodus

10. Private Life Of Sherlock Holmes

[artyjeffrey 20]

I used to have an aversion to re-recordings, thinking them to be impersonators and pointless. I used to, back in the late '80s/early '90s, see those Charles Gerhardt cds in the music store and, for a moment, get excited before realizing that it was a re-recording. And you know what changed my mind? Erik Woods. That's right, Erik, when you did that special series on Charles Gerhardt, I listened and realized that I had been a narrow-minded numbskull, and had been missing out on some great stuff. I now have all of the Gerhardt discs.

The Gerhardt discs, for the most part, are not pointless, because they present re-recordings of films so old that their originals would be a rough listen. Other re-recordings, like the Tadlow ones, can be appreciated for bringing a slightly different flavor to music that we may have already had memorized; I mean, why not hear a different take of music we love?

Now, what would a post from me be without something being mocked? Without a doubt, THE WORST re-recording I have ever heard was the one that was done of music from the Indiana Jones films. Was that a City of Prague recording? God, I threw it out and can't check for sure .

[Wojo 2,458]

I also like The Ten Commandments, and because its album is not the film recordings, it counts, though I wish it were more complete.

[Erik Woods 841]

I used to have an aversion to re-recordings, thinking them to be impersonators and pointless. I used to, back in the late '80s/early '90s, see those Charles Gerhardt cds in the music store and, for a moment, get excited before realizing that it was a re-recording. And you know what changed my mind? Erik Woods. That's right, Erik, when you did that special series on Charles Gerhardt, I listened and realized that I had been a narrow-minded numbskull, and had been missing out on some great stuff. I now have all of the Gerhardt discs.

I'm honoured. Truly! Comments like the one above validate my program and what I set out to do when I began the show in 1996. My goal was to help promote film music, bring it to a wider audience and hopefully introduce listeners to music and scores they might not have heard before. That comment above made my day!

-Erik-

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

The "By Request" c.d., is actually a part-OST, as it contains the original music written for "Inside The Mothership".

I am not aware of any OST, or re-recording, that contains "When You Wish Upon A Star", as part of the end title (excepting the "Special Edition" end title, of course). Can anyone confirm this?

Even without the Special Edition extension, there have always been traces of WYWUAS in the finale. It's in the suites, too. But perhaps that's not what you were talking about.

- YO-YO MA PERFORMS THE MUSIC OF ENNIO MORRICONE (Ennio Morricone / Sony Classical / Ennio Morricone cond.) An absolutely brilliant album. Take the most popular cello player out there, re-arrange and re-orchestrate your music for solo cello performance and hear your music the way it has never been performed before. Familiar yet totally different. One of my favorite albums of all time.

Good one, although I prefer Triology's Morricone album.

- STAR WARS/CLOSE ENCOUNTERS (John Williams / RCA / Charles Gerhardt cond.) This album contains the best performance of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

And the same goes for Star Wars.

- THE STAR WARS TRILOGY (John Williams / Varese / Varujan Kojian cond.) The Star Wars trilogy concert versions have never sounded better and for a while two Return of the Jedi cues were recorded that weren't available anywhere else.

I finally got this a few weeks ago. I have to listen to it a few more times, but after the first couple of listens, it doesn't seem that great to me. It's certainly good, but to me it seems somewhat awkward... too different from the OST recordings to be familiar in that regard, but not in any way that seems as meaningful as some other recordings, especially Gerhardt's. The very artificially amped sounding harp on the right doesn't help.

[Erik Woods 841]

- STAR WARS/CLOSE ENCOUNTERS (John Williams / RCA / Charles Gerhardt cond.) This album contains the best performance of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

And the same goes for Star Wars.

I don't hold the performance of the Gerhardt's Star Wars that high. However, the performance of Leia's Theme is the best I've heard. I just can stand listening to a brass section that has a hard time reaching the correct pitch, or flubbing and missing notes. They seem to lag behind. And the timing on some of these pieces leave something to be desired. I think Gerhardt's best Star Wars album is Return of the Jedi

- THE STAR WARS TRILOGY (John Williams / Varese / Varujan Kojian cond.) The Star Wars trilogy concert versions have never sounded better and for a while two Return of the Jedi cues were recorded that weren't available anywhere else.

I finally got this a few weeks ago. I have to listen to it a few more times, but after the first couple of listens, it doesn't seem that great to me. It's certainly good, but to me it seems somewhat awkward... too different from the OST recordings to be familiar in that regard, but not in any way that seems as meaningful as some other recordings, especially Gerhardt's. The very artificially amped sounding harp on the right doesn't help.

I think the sound the stellar! Very punchy! Gives the scores that umph missed on the original recordings and subsequent re-recordings. The performances (especially The Asteroid Field) are dead on, IMHO!

-Erik-

[Romão 2,473]

One set of re-recordings that must be mentioned are the Ben Hur and Quo Vadis conducted by Rozsa himself in London, for Decca, which have recently been released on a double cd.

Great list, Erik, though I feel you should have included more Gerhardt.

I also feel the City of Prague Philarmonic has come a long way, and in the last 7 years or so almost all of their re-recordings or composers anthologies have been top notch, IMHO.

[Erik Woods 841]

One set of re-recordings that must be mentioned are the Ben Hur and Quo Vadis conducted by Rozsa himself in London, for Decca, which have recently been released on a double cd.

Great list, Erik, though I feel you should have included more Gerhardt.

I also feel the City of Prague Philarmonic has come a long way, and in the last 7 years or so almost all of their re-recordings or composers anthologies have been top notch, IMHO.

I agree completely with the Rozsa recordings. Excellent all around!

I could have included ALL the Gerhardt's but I chose the one that truly blew me away. That Close Encounteres suite is unbeatable. However, I do have a fondness for the Waxman album! The Prince Valiant suite is masterful!

The Prague Orchestra has indeed come a long way especially since the introduction of the Tadlow re-recordings. El Cid and Exodus are magnificent with Exodus featuring the best sounding Prague recording to date!

-Erik-

[artyjeffrey 20]

I can't believe I didn't mention the Decca Rozsa discs. I actually listen to the Decca "Ben-Hur" more than the Rhino or Sony releases.

[Trent B 354]

I'm a tad bit surprised though that Intrada didn't include the original recording for "Back To The Future: The Ride" with the BTTF CD. I think that would have ended the set nicely if they were able to include it.

[Delorean90 47]

I avoid anything recorded by the Prague Philharmonic. ::shudders::

I tell ya, though, I really like their recording of the "Gremlins Suite" under the baton of Jerry Goldsmith, as well as their rendition of the theme from The Russia House.

[Datameister 2,586]

Actually, their recording of the Gremlins Suite IS pretty good. Exception to every rule, ya know.

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

I avoid anything recorded by the Prague Philharmonic. ::shudders::

I tell ya, though, I really like their recording of the "Gremlins Suite" under the baton of Jerry Goldsmith, as well as their rendition of the theme from The Russia House.

When did Goldsmith record with the Prague Philharmonic?

[Romão 2,473]

Never, but Silva released a 4cd Jerry Goldsmith Compilation (40 Years of Film Music), in which they included The City of Prague's recordings and the tracks recorded by Goldsmith and the National Philarmonic which were previously released as a single cd named Goldsmith Conducts Goldsmith (which was also released by Silva, hence its inclusion on the 4 cd compilation).

[Trent B 354]

I do like the Utah Symphony re-recording of the Original Trilogy cues. They did a pretty good job on that. I had the CD at one point but it was amongst the casualties before I moved from Vegas. I need to buy it again.

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

Never, but Silva released a 4cd Jerry Goldsmith Compilation (40 Years of Film Music), in which they included The City of Prague's recordings and the tracks recorded by Goldsmith and the National Philarmonic which were previously released as a single cd named Goldsmith Conducts Goldsmith (which was also released by Silva, hence its inclusion on the 4 cd compilation).

That's a nice CD. But of couse, the NPO was in a different league than the Prague players.

[Omen II 1,300]

Never, but Silva released a 4cd Jerry Goldsmith Compilation (40 Years of Film Music), in which they included The City of Prague's recordings and the tracks recorded by Goldsmith and the National Philarmonic which were previously released as a single cd named Goldsmith Conducts Goldsmith (which was also released by Silva, hence its inclusion on the 4 cd compilation).

On a point of order, Merkel, the Goldsmith Conducts Goldsmith album was actually performed by the Philharmonia Orchestra, not the National Philharmonic Orchestra (which are/were two different beasts). The first film music concert I ever attended was given by the Philharmonia Orchestra, who used to have something of a pedigree when it came to film music, so in that regard the favourable comparison with the City of Prague Philharmonic still stands.

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

Ah yes, that's what bothered me about Merkel's post. Though considering the nature of the National Philharmonic Orchestra, I suppose some of their players might in fact have come from the Philharmonia.

[Romão 2,473]

Never, but Silva released a 4cd Jerry Goldsmith Compilation (40 Years of Film Music), in which they included The City of Prague's recordings and the tracks recorded by Goldsmith and the National Philarmonic which were previously released as a single cd named Goldsmith Conducts Goldsmith (which was also released by Silva, hence its inclusion on the 4 cd compilation).

On a point of order, Merkel, the Goldsmith Conducts Goldsmith album was actually performed by the Philharmonia Orchestra, not the National Philharmonic Orchestra (which are/were two different beasts). The first film music concert I ever attended was given by the Philharmonia Orchestra, who used to have something of a pedigree when it came to film music, so in that regard the favourable comparison with the City of Prague Philharmonic still stands.

I'm sorry, my mistake

[Omen II 1,300]

There's no need to apologise Merkel, it's an easy mistake to make and we're all friends here (except when we play your mob at football, then the gloves are well and truly off! ).

[Luke Skywalker 2,385]

I do like the Utah Symphony re-recording of the Original Trilogy cues. They did a pretty good job on that.

I smell chauvinism here

[Yodaschild 1,582]

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