Popular Post Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted November 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2013 I noticed that there was not a guide on what cues contained film edits/tracking so I decided to make one: "A Conspiracy Unmasked" or Analyzing the Fellowship of the Ring CR http://screencapped.net/movie/lotr/albums/userpics/10002/fotrd1-001309.jpg The year 2013 of the Second Age. Here follows the account of Faleel, Manic Treasure Hunter of JWFan, and the finding of the unreleased music.... Disc One Prologue: One Ring To Rule Them All The CR has the film version, The OST and Rarities have different edits of the same alternate, The TE and EE DVD menus have the TE version There is a section of the cue microedited around 2:00, (the microedited section can be found in the scene selection menu) and sections of the cue that have the choir mixed out. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Ym9BcjZlME1Tc1k/edit?usp=sharing The Shire This is the cue for the EE scene, it seems to be complete and free of film edits, but I could be wrong. Bag End This is the EE version of the scene of Frodo under the tree, the theatrical version is unreleased, though some of it can be ripped from the EE trailer on the TE special features. The CR has the music for the EE cut of the trip through Hobbiton, the OST has an alternate of the TE version, the EE Fan Club Credits has the film version edited down, the scale documentary has one of the microedited sections Very Old Friends Seems to be complete, with no film edits or microedits. Flaming Red Hair The CR version seems to be an alternate, the EE scene selections (and the ROTK EE appendices documentaries) seem to have an alternate opening.. Farewell Dear Bilbo Complete and unedited? Keep It Secret, Keep It Safe! The first half is complete until 4:00, though the EE special features have a clean ending without Holm's voiceover. The second half however, has a statement of the History of the Ring, tracked from Parth Galen, the original composition can be heard in the music featurette on the EE DVD and in the OST track "The Shadow of the Past" The choir for the Nine leaving Minas Morgul is mixed low in the CR. there is a loop around 6:23, and a microedit at 7:04, The Lord of the Rings The Third Age game files has microedited section. A Conspiracy Unmasked This track is what inspired me to write this. The first portion is complete (minus 1 second of a clean opening.), however a small section at 0:48 was tracked over/replaced with brass notes from later in the cue, the original section can be heard in the Middle-Earth atlas on the EE features (during the transition to Rivendell) and the TE DVD menus. One of the most interesting editing decisions on the FOTR CR is during Frodo and Gandalf's discussion of the One Ring, low brass play the Threat of Mordor, which is not on the CR, I believe the reason for this is because it would not flow naturally in to the History of the Ring theme, because this History theme statement is also tracked from Parth Galen! The original piece would have featured the Footsteps of Doom End-cap, and a bit of incidental music that reminds of the Original version of the Siege of Gondor (presented on the Rarities disc), this original composition can be heard in the EE documentary on the Costumes, during the Saruman section. A statement of the Threat of Mordor is not presented on the CR, the Third Age game has this statement. Three Is Company The CR has the film version, The OST has the TE version. The LOTR symphony version has singing instead of humming. The Passing of the Elves This cue is by Plan 9 and seems to be complete Saruman The White 1:00 has low male choir in the film, but the CR has this mixed low. Choir is dialed out at 3:09 (the intended choir can be found in the OST track "The Treason of Isengard"). A Shortcut To Mushrooms A portion at 1:44 is microedited down, the OST has the unmicroedited section. A bar is microedited out at 1:59, the TTT Video Game file 02G2GAL1 has this missing bar. The Live to Projection version of this track has an extra horn line There is an unreleased alternate to this cue, which was a shorter, more subdued take, parts of it can be found in the Previz of Gandalf riding to Isengard. and in the Middle-earth atlas (as a transition to The Trollshaws), the missing bar mentioned above could theoretically be part of this early version. Early Version (Partial): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9eWRFdHJGWHU4VWc/edit?usp=sharing Strider 0:19-0:34 is tracked from later in the cue, this section was originally silent. The string sustain as the Hobbits try to decide what to do next is artificially extended. The Nazgul https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9R1A2UGZWTzhHMU0/edit?usp=sharing Music for the Ringwraiths trashing the Hobbit's beds is dialed out, this music can be found at 2:15 on the OST track 'At The Sign of the Prancing Pony' . 1:44 to 2:14 is tracked from Saruman The White, the actual composition can be found on the Rarities track 'To Rivendell' The CR ending (replacing the Isengard material heard in the aforementioned Rarities track) at 5:09 seems to be tracked from The Sword that was Broken as recorded for the TE End of Disc One Disc Two Weathertop The CR track has muted brass counterpoint mixed out, and choir is removed at 1:22. The Caverns of Isengard 0:44 has music tracked from earlier in the track, the choir is mixed low at 1:57 on the CR (the OST can be used for this portion) The music at 3:57 is the EE version, could be looped to fit the new EE footage, the waveforms do not provide any clues. The TE version is unreleased, The Live to Projection version of this track has various changes, including the original mix of the Nature theme statement Give Up The Halfling Complete, the OST and Rarities have alternates. The Live to Projection version of this track has various changes Orthanc Seems complete.. Rivendell Complete, OST contains an alternate. The Sword That Was Broken The ending on the CR is either edited down and pitch shifted, or a new recording done for the EE, the full original ending can be recreated from the TE DVD Special Features menu music and the end of The Nazgul from the CR The Live to Projection version has various changes The Council of Elrond Assembles Aniron is microedited, a small section could be looped.. The EE DVD Appendices Menus and documentaries have music dialed out in the TE and replaced in the EE The Great Eye 1:29 sounds like it might be tracked from the original A Shortcut to Mushrooms and slowed down. 4:32 might be a loop, The OST has an alternate for 4:39. Gilraen's Memorial The CR has the EE version, The OST has the TE version edited down, the Fellowship leaving Rivendell has the choir mixed low. The Live to Projection version has additional bell tree The Pass of Caradhras 4:53 to 4:57 is a loop made to fit the EE footage. The TTT game files have a brassier version of the Evil Times statement The Live to Projection version of this track has extra or louder choir The Doors of Durin Complete, contains the EE insert, the TE version is partially available via the TTT Video Game files 02G2IGC3 and 02G2IGC4, the rest is in the EE documentaries. Moria CR includes the EE inserts, the OST has the theatrical version. The end is microedited. The symphony version has extra instruments, extra singing, and a brassier ending. Gollum Complete? Balin's Tomb There are three microedits around 4:43, 4:47, and 5:10, these can be undone using the TTT or ROTK Video Game files. The Fan Club Credits have a clean opening for 7:34 of the track. The music after the Fellowship theme statement is the film edit, the OST track the full composition. The Live to Projection version of this track has various changes End of Disc Two Disc Three Khazad-Dum There are three microedits in the track: One at 2:01 The second at 3:33 The third at 4:07 These can be undone using the OST, and the TTT Game Files. Caras Galadhon CR has the EE version, OST has an edited down version of the TE version The Mirror of Galadriel The first phrase of the Lothlorien theme was edited out in order to condense the music to start at a later point in the footage, the microedited section can be found in the Scene Selection menus It is unclear if the music for Galadriel's reveal of Nenya was a edit, or a new recording. (this section is shorter on the OST though...) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9VU9yekstRUNxYzg/edit?usp=sharing There is a looped note at 6:04 on the CR track The Fighting Uruk-Hai The opening of the cue was edited out, and can be found on the Rarities. A brass statement of the Fellowship theme was dialed out and can be found on the OST The Symphony version of the Fellowship leaving Lorien uses the Choir over the Fellowship theme from the OST version, and an extra few seconds of choir later The Symphony version has a few extra seconds of music after the Ring Theme statement. The CR has the EE film version, The Rarities and OST have the TE original version Parth Galen Choir has been mixed out at 3:25. A second statement of the Seduction of the Ring was mixed out at 4:39. The music for Boromir's death is the EE version, the TE version can be found on the OST and in the TTT game files. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9LUZmVmNqa1prTWM/edit?usp=sharing The Live to Projection version of this track has various changes The Departure of Boromir The first few seconds of the track are edited out, the missing section can be found on the OST. The music for Aragorn's fight with Lurtz is the film edit, the Game files has the full composition (with some sections looped for Game purposes) The Live to Projection version of this track has extra choir The Road Goes Ever On.. Part 1 Complete. The Fan Club credits has an alternate, the OST has a slightly edited down version of the film version composition, but without the final humming coda. May It Be Might be complete, might be microedited, I have no idea, on the OST, May It Be comes after In Dreams. The Road Goes Ever On.. Part 2 The CR has the film edit, the OST has the full composition Comparing the Lord of the Rings Symphony CD to the OST/CR DISC I MOVEMENT I The Prophecy/Prologue: One Ring to Rule Them All (Original Version) Pretty much the same content as the OST track, however 1:02 of the LOTR Symphony combines the Cor Anglais from 3:58 of the version of the Prologue on the Rarities disc and the horn from 0:58 of The Prophecy on the OST. The rest of the prologue portion of the movement uses the CR/film version. Concerning Hobbits/The Shire and Bag End The Symphony uses a slightly shortened version of the OST track. The Treason of Isengard/Three Is Company The Seduction of the Ring is sung instead of hummed. The Journey There section is omitted, instead the music segues to.... The Black Rider/A Shortcut to Mushrooms The brass at 0:40 of the OST track is not in the Symphony version. There is music not in the OST track at 9:03 of the Symphony version. At 10:22 there is an additional descending horn line, however it is mixed very low, it can be heard more easily in these videos: At 9:52: At 1:47 Instead of resolving with the last note, the music instead segues into.... The Treason of Isengard/Saruman The White The Symphony uses the OST version. END OF DISC I MOVEMENT I DISC I MOVEMENT II Many Meetings/Rivendell The Symphony uses the OST Version with an extra or more prominent humming, and segues to... The Ring Goes South/Gilraen's Memorial The Symphony uses the EE Version, and segues to... A Journey In The Dark/Moria More prominent (extra?) Khuzdul singing, and harsh instrumentation, the Live to Projection version is similar, but less harsh. The Bridge of Khazad-Dum/Balin's Tomb The Symphony uses the OST track, with 5 seconds of percussion hits (similar to the clean opening of the film cue The Second Hall). Lothlorien/Caras Galadhon Seems to be TE and EE version hybrid, contains clean ending of "Lament for Gandalf" The Great River/The Fighting Uruk-Hai EE/OST Version Hybrid, contains extra music at 21:54. Amon Hen/Parth Galen EE Version The Breaking of the Fellowship/May It Be and The Road Goes Ever On Parts 1 and 2 OST version END OF DISC I MOVEMENT II Unsolved Mysteries What does the original version of A Shortcut to Mushrooms sound like? Is the bit of the Threat of Mordor for Gimli trying to destroy the One Ring in The Great Eye tracked? How much choral material are we missing? The End? Edmilson, Incanus, Jay and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,463 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Awesome, I'm glad you're doing this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard P 4,564 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 What I'd like to know is why lots film edits and tracking were left in for this set, yet the other two were clearly 'as written'.Either they were left in by accident, or they decided to present the subsequent CRs 100% 'as written'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,848 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 What I'd like to know is why lots film edits and tracking were left in for this set, yet the other two were clearly 'as written'.Either they were left in by accident, or they decided to present the subsequent CRs 100% 'as written'.I think it was part of the process of learning how to do these sets on Shore's part, which affected his choices when he compiled them. Sometimes the final film versions were something he must have been happy with despite those containing tracked or repurposed music and sometimes he chose to include his original intentions. We have things like the Give Up the Halfling on the FotR CR, where he eschews from giving us the film version as he preferred his original piece for the horns. I think it is more about the artist's choices than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,463 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I honestly think what happened was: they started by just taking the isolated music stem of the EE film and breaking it up into tracks and planning out a 3CD set. Then they went to a couple places and restored music that had been cut from the film: dialed out bit when Sam is outside Frodo's window in the bushes, ringworld bit when Frodo puts on the ring at Weathertop, Shore's preferred Ford of Bruin music, ringworld bit when Frodo puts the ring on at Amon Hen... then called it a day, ignoring the plethora of other (smaller) instances where music was replaced with tracked music in the final film, probably because most of those still sound OK. I think with TTT and ROTK, even if they may have started with the isolated music stem as a guide to start, they seemed to go back to the full session recordings for every cue, and did things more properly (though there are still a few curiosities here and there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 Whats funny, is in the track 13 "Strider", there is both Tracked music and Unused music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 Finished! (for now....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,848 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Thank you very much Faleel! I look forward to delving into this more closely when I have a bit of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 Okay, thanks to the Editorial documentary on the EE DVD, I have solved the "Strider" tracking mystery, the tracked music around 0:15 is not replacing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,463 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 What I'd like to know is why lots film edits and tracking were left in for this set, yet the other two were clearly 'as written'.Either they were left in by accident, or they decided to present the subsequent CRs 100% 'as written'.There were early ideas to include an isolated score feature on the EE. Some believe they took this as the guideline for the CR.Which would seem ... unfortunate.What do you mean?He probably means originally, there was no music at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 159 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Faleel, thank you very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 He probably means originally, there was no music at all.Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,944 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I too look forward to being able to devote some time to this. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted November 29, 2013 Author Share Posted November 29, 2013 BOOM!My theory about Mirror of Galadriel having the opening phrase lopped off has been confirmed!You can hear it in the scene selections menu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,310 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Ahhh! Sometimes, ignorance is bliss!Although I'm not as picky with some of the edits on the CRs (being a big fan of them in the first), this is a great resource for those who'd like to get a better image of what the truths of the score are. Thanks Faleel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted April 25, 2014 Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 Alright, I noticed something interesting in the TTT gamerip:It seems that there may have been an extra brass overlay for the EVIL TIMES statement in "The Pass of Caradhras", either that or it was something made for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted August 12, 2014 Author Share Posted August 12, 2014 Text updated to read less accusatory, and to be a little clearer.Videos of all the unreleased portions will be coming soon as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 568 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Unsolved MysteriesWhere does the Nazgul theme at 2:25 of "At The Sign of the Prancing Pony" go?More or less where it's positioned on the album, although bars have been trimmed before and after. It would have underscored the Nazgul entering the Prancing Pony and trashing the decoy room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Ah.So the Nazgul music we hear as the Hobbits wake up, is that tracked from the unused cue? or is that intended?Glad it was cut from the film!Unsolved MysteriesIs the bit of the Threat of Mordor for Gimli trying to destroy the One Ring in The Great Eye tracked?Also, the answer to this one seems to be....YES!it seems to be tracked from the original A Shortcut To Mushrooms: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 *sigh*Why is Fellowship such a mess on every album, including the CRs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,709 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 A mess? It's a fantastic album!You guys are just nitpicking.The lower mixed choir and the film version of the end credits are the only issues I have with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Not even the Lothlorien theme starting halfway through the theme? I noticed that one on first listen, but just chalked it up to Shore losing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,709 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Nope.When it was released there was very little critisism about these "dropped bars". Only in recent times are the CR's shit all of a sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,542 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,944 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 A mess? It's a fantastic album!You guys are just nitpicking.The lower mixed choir and the film version of the end credits are the only issues I have with it.I have to agree with this and over time Fellowship is becoming my favourite of the scores. It was always TTT but now I'm more likely to put on Fellowship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Nope.When it was released there was very little critisism about these "dropped bars". Only in recent times are the CR's shit all of a sudden.That's because we discovered only recently how much good stuff was cut out of the full recordings, on this "Complete Recordings". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,709 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 That has always been a misnomer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 568 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Unsolved MysteriesThere is an as of yet unidentified bit of music in the menus of the Theatrical DVD, it features the Descending ThirdIt's part of the opening of A Conspiracy Unmasked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,463 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Faleel, I just wanted to thank you for creating this thread and maintaining that list. It's extremely helpful and informative.One day I will edit a definitive presentation of FOTR (with available clean sources, that is). One day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Unsolved MysteriesWhere does the Nazgul theme at 2:25 of "At The Sign of the Prancing Pony" go?More or less where it's positioned on the album, although bars have been trimmed before and after. It would have underscored the Nazgul entering the Prancing Pony and trashing the decoy room.So, somewhat like this? https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9R1A2UGZWTzhHMU0/edit?usp=sharingUnsolved MysteriesThere is an as of yet unidentified bit of music in the menus of the Theatrical DVD, it features the Descending ThirdIt's part of the opening of A Conspiracy Unmasked.Thanks!Now to figure out where exactly in the opening it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 568 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yes - you're only missing about ten seconds of material at 1:43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,463 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Do you have that missing 10 seconds of material you can share with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 BTW, where does this held note come from?https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Z0lyeFhubmxnbnM/edit?usp=sharing------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------BTW, the main post has been updated, to be even more clear, example videos are slowly but surely being added to the main post.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------And, here is a partial rough cut of the alternate Shortcut to Mushrooms:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9eWRFdHJGWHU4VWc/edit?usp=sharingDid I get it pretty much right?Unsolved MysteriesThere is an as of yet unidentified bit of music in the menus of the Theatrical DVD, it features the Descending ThirdIt's part of the opening of A Conspiracy Unmasked.Like this?https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9V1NaelFsT1FDWms/edit?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,463 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 And, here is a partial rough cut of the alternate Shortcut to Mushrooms: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9eWRFdHJGWHU4VWc/edit?usp=sharing hey that sounds cool! Where did the parts that weren't from the OST come from? And why did it seem like the OST part was sped up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Where did the parts that weren't from the OST come from? And why did it seem like the OST part was sped up?#1 Previs, and Middle-earth Atlas.#2 Are you referring to the brassy descending third at 1:20? I believe that is part of the original version, which was replaced by the longer version heard on the OST, which was edited down in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 568 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 BTW, where does this held note come from?https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Z0lyeFhubmxnbnM/edit?usp=sharing------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It's from the original A Shortcut to Mushrooms.Unsolved MysteriesThere is an as of yet unidentified bit of music in the menus of the Theatrical DVD, it features the Descending ThirdIt's part of the opening of A Conspiracy Unmasked.Like this?https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9V1NaelFsT1FDWms/edit?usp=sharingYup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Jim, those Brass notes at 0:49 of A Conspiracy Unmasked, where did they come from? The Sword That Was Broken?And where approximately would that held note go in context of my rough cut of the original Shortcut to Mushrooms posted above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 568 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Jim, those Brass notes that replaced that section in A Conspiracy Unmasked, where did they come from? The Sword That Was Broken?And where approximately would that held note go in context of my rough cut of the original Shortcut to Mushrooms posted above?Not sure on the first question (I'll check), but on the second....in the middle of a bit that isn't represented on the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Jim, those Brass notes that replaced that section in A Conspiracy Unmasked, where did they come from? The Sword That Was Broken?And where approximately would that held note go in context of my rough cut of the original Shortcut to Mushrooms posted above?Not sure on the first question (I'll check)....To be clear, its the bit at 0:49 of A Conspiracy Unmasked on the CR.And finally, what is this from?https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9ZFV3cUo2TTB5aHM/edit?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,463 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I don't recognize it, but it sounds like a flashback during Rivendell or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,408 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yeah, It sounded like the Harp was doing the Rivendell arpeggios/weakness and redemption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 568 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I don't recognize it, but it sounds like a flashback during Rivendell or something.It's from an earlier iteration of The Council of Elrond, underscoring Frodo presenting the ring to the council and running up to the introduction of the Gondor theme. The bars are dialled out in the TE and partially replaced by new material in the EE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,463 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I think it's cool that anytime an unknown snippet of LOTR scores come up, we can always at least place what section of the film it must have come from thanks to Shore's awesome use of different musical palettes for different regions, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 568 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Jim, those Brass notes that replaced that section in A Conspiracy Unmasked, where did they come from? The Sword That Was Broken?And where approximately would that held note go in context of my rough cut of the original Shortcut to Mushrooms posted above?Not sure on the first question (I'll check)....To be clear, its the bit at 0:49 of A Conspiracy Unmasked on the CR.It's from A Conspiracy Unmasked! There's an edit at 0:52 trimming about five seconds of material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,913 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 NVMKarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,463 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 No, that wouldn't work, each score is way too big to have all it's info jammed up with the other 5 scoresMaybe it's time we move all Tolkien-related threads inside their own sub-forum inside General Discussion, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,913 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I would be in favour of this. Don't get me wrong, all this discussion is fascinating (well, at least some of it), but it's all over the place. Can't even remember where I read what.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,463 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 "Karo"?OK, I made a poll. Let's discuss this topic there instead of cluttering up Faleel's threadhttp://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24671 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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