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#1 User is offline   Joey 

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 06:18 PM

Which means in less than 5 months time we will have a new score in our possession.

I expect it to be another great score, and the best film of the HP series. It benefits from the best story of these 3 films, and I get goosebumps thinking of the possibilities and directions John can go with this score. Themes galore, motifs, and further delving into the darkside of the HP series, just increase my anticipation.

Sure some of you would rather have John score some obscure art film or indy, some slow, wrist slitting borefest, but this is what he is doing. You can embrace it or ignore it, your choice. Some are more excited by The Terminal and thats fine, but it comes second this year, it doesn't break the long dry spell we've endured.

There is also the possibility that it will suck the big one like AOTC did, and be an awful mess. But unlike AOTC, this film has an actual "STORY", and a good one at that.

So basically this is it, 5 months from today, many of us will be seeing Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Hopefully the score will have been released nearly a month earlier, and we will be familiar with the score and anxious to see how it fits the film. Then too it could be one of these scores that gets released the following Tuesday after the films release, or 3 days before the release, who knows at this time, but at least this year we don't have to endure a year long dryspell, with 2 films scores and the knowledge that the following year brings at least 3 scores.
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 06:20 PM

Don't get overconfident

Are we going to have a "Prisoner of Azkaban opens 4 months from today" and so forth

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 06:22 PM

whose overconfident ?man?

and if I or others choose, we can have a 4 months till, 3months till, hell even a 4 months ago POA opened.

my goodness are you the illigetimate clone of Morn?
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 06:26 PM

Well, everything's better about this one. So there's no concievable reason it shouldn't be better than the first 2.
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 06:28 PM

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my goodness are you the illigetimate clone of Morn?

ROTFLMAO

I'm really looking forward to this score and film. Thanks for starting this thread, Joe. I hadn't seen you around lately but I'm glad you are still around. Also, the idea of a new Williams Harry Potter score coming soon is really exciting. Let's hope AOL streams it early again like they did with the last two scores!

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 06:34 PM

I think Goblet of fire has the best story.
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 06:39 PM

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I hadn't seen you around lately but I'm glad you are still around.


Its bowl season, so that had my attention, and then with Nebraska courting my Razorbacks head football coach, that took up a little of my time.
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 06:57 PM

QUOTE(HPFAN_2)
I think Goblet of fire has the best story.

Re-read Joe's first post. He says...


QUOTE(JoeinAr)
It benefits from the best story of these 3 films


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Posted 04 January 2004 - 07:23 PM

smile.gif

I'm looking forward to hear to score also. 5 months, probably 4, is sooner than you think!
I'm not going to listen the score before seeing the movie! I'm pretty sure Cuaron has changed a lot at the story, so I want to be completely surprised. In the assumption that Williams will create a Dementor motif/theme, a theme that I especially looking forward to, I want to hear it for the first time in cinema. 8O
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 07:30 PM

QUOTE(Bart)
smile.gif  

I'm looking forward to hear to score also. 5 months, probably 4, is sooner than you think!  
I'm not going to listen the score before seeing the movie! I'm pretty sure Cuaron has changed a lot at the story,


Usually it's the scriptwriters who change things to the story, especially if the director is a hired gun and not the creative driving force.

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so I want to be completely surprised.  In the assumption that Williams will create a Dementor motif/theme, a theme that I especially looking forward to, I want to hear it for the first time in cinema.  8O


Still a virgin?

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 07:50 PM

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Yes, I'm the male version of Britney...


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Usually it's the scriptwriters who change things to the story, especially if the director is a hired gun and not the creative driving force.  


I suppose that the studios knew that hiring Cuaron means that they were hiring a very obstinate director... And if you look at the poor quality of the scripts from the first two movies, I'm sure that Cuaron himself forced a few changes smile.gif
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 07:57 PM

But with this kinda film it's ultimatly the producers who decide on changes.

Someone like Cuaron does not have the amount of influence as a Spielberg might have, no matter how talented he may be.
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 08:04 PM

The male version of Britney?????? Does that mean that secretly you're a slut?
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 08:06 PM

Secretly???
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 08:14 PM

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The male version of Britney?????? Does that mean that secretly you're a slut?


Oh no, everybody knows that.
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 08:30 PM

You are openly a slut?
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 08:34 PM

As the installments grow longer, I wonder whether how much longer the running times will become. You wonder if they'll have to start pulling some Kill Bill's...
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 08:40 PM

Just make the films 5 hours long, it will drive the youngest kids away.
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 08:41 PM

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You are openly a slut?


Do you have a problem with that?
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 08:45 PM

Since you are not a women, and anywere near my location, i have really no interest.
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 10:04 PM

i can't wait to see what JW does with Sirius and Lupin. I'm sure the Dementor scenes will be really well scored too. I'm anxious to see how they adapt book 3 into cinema. 3 is my second favourite. 5 is my first. then 1 then 4 then 2.
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Posted 04 January 2004 - 11:02 PM

I wanna see if Williams makes another theme along the lines of Hedwig and Fawkes.
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 12:18 AM

Good thread, I'm still really excited about this film. Peter Pan has helped to ease my wait for Poa, both score and movie-wise, which is nice. A new Williams score in less than 5 months, after a year and a half of nothing . . . . excitement indeed! jump.gif

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 12:20 AM

Judging from Williams's dull depictions of villains of late (you have to go back to 1999's "Duel of the Fates" for anything remotely brimming with enthusiasm), I'm not expecting much for the Dementors. Probably some cheap throw-away 3 or 4 note motif.

On the other hand, Williams's last completed score, while not as Mancini-ish as I'd've liked, was a near hand-in-glove fit that I hadn't heard since 1992's JFK or 1990's Home Alone. The lugubrious father-son theme, except for the instrumentation, seemed a little too keeping in tradition with Sean's Theme from MR and David's Theme from AI, but the rest of score was so charming and light on its feet. I'm excited about The Terminal -- I hoping for a similar touch.
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 01:02 AM

Cuaron wont be changing the story a bit, he has no power to do so.

Chris Columbus has a tight fist on the project with the intent of keeping all the HP films true to the books.
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 01:08 AM

Yeah, he is spineless.

Morlock- who thinks Cuaron is a much better director.
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 01:17 AM

I can't pass a judgement like that until I see the movie. But I'm really looking forward to it.
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 01:17 AM

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Chris Columbus has a tight fist on the project with the intent of keeping all the HP films true to the books.

Yes, where slavish, stultifyingly literal-minded == "true."
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 01:46 AM

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Are we going to have a \"Prisoner of Azkaban opens 4 months from today\" and so forth


Well,you can look forward to many threads about the subject as the soundtrack and movie approaches.Does this upset you because were allowed Potter threads in the General Discussion and not LotR or multiple Giacchino threads?Harry Potter movies are in direct relation with Williams.

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In addition to that new material, Williams took several themes and expanded them into more developed pieces for the soundtrack album. "I was stunned by the amount of music he wrote," says Ross. <b>"We were on the 12th day of a 13-day recording schedule and I received a package with new cues to record.</b> That night I actually called John and told him I was sending the music police to confiscate his pencil! I think he just couldn't stop writing." Ross did not compose any new material himself; everything he wrote was based on John's material. Williams insisted, though, that Ross receive a "Music Adapted by" credit onscreen. "That credit was something that John insisted on from our first meeting," says Ross. "The reality, however, is that CHAMBER OF SECRETS is a John Williams score beginning to end."
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 02:27 AM

Giacchino is in relation to Williams because he IS the next Williams
Plus Spielberg hand picked Giacchino like he hand picked Williams

anyways on the topic, PoA is gonna be waaaaayyyyy better than that piece of crap CoS, Gary Oldman is going to whup ass

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 04:54 AM

I bet we'll get new Williams music in the full trailer too.

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In addition to that new material, Williams took several themes and expanded them into more developed pieces for the soundtrack album. "I was stunned by the amount of music he wrote," says Ross. <b>"We were on the 12th day of a 13-day recording schedule and I received a package with new cues to record.</b> That night I actually called John and told him I was sending the music police to confiscate his pencil! I think he just couldn't stop writing." Ross did not compose any new material himself; everything he wrote was based on John's material. Williams insisted, though, that Ross receive a "Music Adapted by" credit onscreen. "That credit was something that John insisted on from our first meeting," says Ross. "The reality, however, is that CHAMBER OF SECRETS is a John Williams score beginning to end."
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 05:12 AM

Inspired.
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 06:47 AM

I just wish we had the score for this one already. I really am anticipating hearing it.

BTW does anyone here want to take a stab at what characters there will be new themes for?

In the last film they gave that Fawkes a theme and the bird was BARELY in the friggin movie.
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 08:10 AM

Williams like to write themes for creatures/animals it seems:Fawkes,Hedwig,Errol,Dobby.

So obviously i am sure Buckbeak will get a theme,probably opening menacingly then beeing gentle.That should be one of the Concert Arrangements on the c.d.
The Dementors will also get a theme for sure,probably something similar to The Emperor's theme with low chorus or whispers
And maybe Scabbers (Ron's Rat) and Crookshanks the cat(maybe a bouncy clarinet motif)

Other themes:
Lupin might get a theme
Sirius identity is supposed to be a mystery through most of the story,i'm not sure he'll have a specific theme attached to him,maybe he'll be associated to some kind of danger music.

Maybe Harry will get a new theme,because he grows up in this one and the other one might be more appropriate for a younger Harry

Hermione should get a theme of her own in this one,since she is important in the story this time around.


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In addition to that new material, Williams took several themes and expanded them into more developed pieces for the soundtrack album. "I was stunned by the amount of music he wrote," says Ross. <b>"We were on the 12th day of a 13-day recording schedule and I received a package with new cues to record.</b> That night I actually called John and told him I was sending the music police to confiscate his pencil! I think he just couldn't stop writing." Ross did not compose any new material himself; everything he wrote was based on John's material. Williams insisted, though, that Ross receive a "Music Adapted by" credit onscreen. "That credit was something that John insisted on from our first meeting," says Ross. "The reality, however, is that CHAMBER OF SECRETS is a John Williams score beginning to end."
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 10:43 AM

Boo ya! Bring on PoA. Looks like a may release for the soundtrack. BRING IT ON!!

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 03:24 PM

QUOTE(Hlao-roo)
QUOTE(JoeinAr)
Chris Columbus has a tight fist on the project with the intent of keeping all the HP films true to the books.

Yes, where slavish, stultifyingly literal-minded == "true."


The agreement with JKR was that the films must stay true to the books, if they do not then she can not allow WB to have the final two books for filming. Thats a hold a woman can put on a man that he will listen too.

Joe, hoping Alan is happy with the Terminal and that being the 3rd film removed from Spielberg's greatest disaster, we will start to see a "true" return to form for the once great director.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.

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Posted 05 January 2004 - 03:39 PM

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Joe, hoping Alan is happy with the Terminal and that being the 3rd film removed from Spielberg's  greatest disaster, we will start to see a \"true\" return to form for the once great director.


Actually Joe, it'll be nine films removed from Spielberg's greatest disaster tongue.gif
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 03:46 PM

I agree! (if we both counted right)
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 04:12 PM

Joe and his blind hatred for A.I. won't agree with unquestionable logic though--mark my words wink.gif
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 11:52 PM

You know, I'm intrigued by the Buckbeak comments. I think there will be something for that. Also, I hope they treat Hermione like the character she becomes in POA.
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