I made a Catch Me If You Can cue sheet and CD analysis

[jamesluckard 81]

Hi,

I finally got around to doing a cue sheet, chronological CD breakdown and CD analysis of CMIYC, which I'd been meaning to do for ages. I'd be glad to share it with everybody. I already emailed it to befan@hotmail.com, but haven't heard anything or seen anything here. Is he just away for a few days? Is there a better way for me to get it to whoever will post it on the CMIYC page?

Thanks,

James

[King Mark 3,901]

Post in on the MB.

K.M.

[jamesluckard 81]

I just tried that, but when I previewed it, all my columns were gone, making it impossible to read. I wrote it in Word, and it seems like I can't just post it here.

[diskobolus 3]

Send it to Ricard.

[Jay 44,531]

I had to manually type in HTML code to get my HP3 and Terminal cue lists to format correctly for the messageboard here (I used tables). If you don't know HTML, you might be out of luck. You could email it to me and I could try to format it for you if you want.

[David Vincent 8]

The best you can do is to turn your file into PDF document. If you want, I can do this for you.

I'd be glad to get it, please send your Word document at webmaster@johnwilliams.fr.st.

Thanks in advance

[Kendal_Ozzel 36]

Cool. Can't wait to see it!

[jamesluckard 81]

I've just emailed the Word file to Jason. Hopefully he'll be able to convert it so everyone else can use it.

The album is entirely re-recordings, which often differ a great deal from the film cues, but it's pretty easy to make a CD of the album music in film order, it only involves cutting one track in half and switching the order of the rest.

[Jay 44,531]

OK here is James' word doc formatted for the board:

 

 

 

 

 

CATCH ME IF YOU CAN

Complete Cue Sheet & CD Analysis by James Luckard

Something to know at the start, basically the whole film score could be called unreleased, because none of the tracks on the soundtrack is the original film version. The album is clearly a re-recording, with one entire track and parts of two other tracks matching up to what is heard in the film. The other tracks are often vastly different. See my notes at the bottom for specifics. There are also a few concert suites. It is possible to construct your own album that roughly approximates the film order, but there?s no hope of matching the film exactly ? it ain?t gonna happen.

COMPLETE CUE LIST

	Title	Length	Availability	DVD Timing
1	Catch Me If You Can	2:39	CD Track 01	00:24 ? 03:04
2	Father and Son	2:35	Unreleased	15:59 ? 18:34
3	Divorce	2:17	Unreleased	26:43 ? 29:00
4	Learning The Ropes Part 1	3:32	Unreleased	29:25 ? 32:57
5	Learning The Ropes Part 2	3:35	Unreleased	35:01 ? 38:36
6	Deadheading	1:00	CD Track 11a	39:55 ? 40:55
7	The Prettiest Clerk	0:31	Unreleased	41:20 ? 41:51
8	The ?Float?	0:50	Unreleased	42:08 ? 42:58
9	Room 201	1:13	Unreleased	51:36 ? 52:49
10	Wallet Full of Labels	0:48	Unreleased	55:02 ? 55:50
11	No One Else To Call	0:44	Unreleased	1:05:45 ? 1:06:27
12	The Flash Comics Clue	0:49	Unreleased	1:06:58 ? 1:07:47
13	The Yearbook Photo	0:35	Unreleased	1:09:21 ? 1:09:56
15	Frank Conners, M.D.	1:55	CD Track 14b	1:13:17 ? 1:15:22
16	Atlanta, Georgia	0:49	Unreleased	1:19:19 ? 1:20:08
17	Engaged To A Lawyer/Empty Apartment	1:06	Unreleased	1:21:13 ? 1:22:19
18	Raiding Frank?s Office	0:28	Unreleased	1:25:01 ? 1:25:29
19	Assistant Prosecutor	1:43	Unreleased	1:28:48 ? 1:30:31
20	?Ask Me To Stop!?	0:26	Unreleased	1:35:35 ? 1:36:01
21	Leaving Brenda/The Airport Scene	3:42	Unreleased	1:42:02 ? 1:45:44
22	Covering Miami Airport	0:19	Unreleased	1:46:22 ? 1:46:41
23	?You Let Him Get Away?	1:43	Unreleased	1:50:30 ? 1:52:13
24	?Your Father Is Dead?	0:55	Unreleased	1:59:01 ? 1:59:56
25	Frank Spots A Fake	0:17	Unreleased	2:05:14 ? 2:05:31
26	?Welcome to the F.B.I.?	2:04	Unreleased	2:07:05 ? 2:09:09
27	Captured	0:34	Unreleased	2:10:11 ? 2:10:45
28	Monday Morning	1:24	Unreleased	2:12:22 ? 2:13:46
29	End Credits	6:12	Unreleased	2:14:22 ? 2:20:34
ALTERNATE VERSIONS
	Catch Me If You Can	2:42	CD Track 01
	The Airport Scene	0:50	CD Track 05 (0:45 ? 1:35)
	Learning The Ropes Part 1	3:21	CD Track 07 (0:00 ? 3:21)
	Learning The Ropes Part 2	3:13	CD Track 07 (5:31 ? end)
	Father and Son	2:05	CD Track 08 (0:00 ? 2:05)
	The Flash Comics Clue	0:48	CD Track 10 (0:00 ? 0:48)
	Leaving Brenda	1:23	CD Track 11 (1:02 ? end)
	?Welcome To The F.B.I.?	1:50	CD Track 13 (0:00 ? 1:50)
	Assistant Prosecutor	1:02	CD Track 14 (0:00 ? 1:02)
	End Titles	5:14	CD Track 16
CONCERT ARRANGEMENTS
	The ?Float?	4:56	CD Track 02
	Recollections (The Father?s Theme)	5:16	CD Track 04
NOT IN FILM
	The Airport Scene (extended intro)	0:45	CD Track 05 (0:00 ? 0:45)
	The Airport Scene (extended end)	0:48	CD Track 05 (1:35 ? end)
	Learning The Ropes (unused bit)	2:10	CD Track 07 (3:21 ? 5:31)
	Father and Son (extended end)	1:10	CD Track 08 (2:05 ? end)
	Unknown	1:23	CD Track 10 (0:48 ? end)
	?Welcome To The F.B.I.? (extended end)	2:36	CD Track 13 (1:50 ? end)

ALBUM IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER

It?s possible to make an album that represents the film score quite well. I left unknown music where it was and put the concert suites where they could represent similar pieces of score that aren?t on the album. I also added a couple of additional pop songs where they appear in the film. They are in italics. Obviously some Williams fans may wish to do the opposite and leave the pop songs off entirely. Your choice.

01. Catch Me If You Can	2:42	CD Track 01
02. Judy Garland/Embraceable You	2:50	CD Track 09
03. Father and Son	3:15	CD Track 08
04. Learning The Ropes	8:44	CD Track 07
05. Deadheading	1:04	CD Track 11 (0:00-1:04)
06. The ?Float?	4:56	CD Track 02
07. Getz & Gilberto/The Girl From Ipanema	5:15	CD Track 06
08. John Barry Orchestra/The James Bond Theme	1:46	Dr. No Soundtrack Track 01
09. Dusty Springfield/The Look of Love	3:31	CD Track 15
10. Bing Crosby/Mele Kalikimaka	2:52
11. The Chiffons/He?s So Fine	1:57
12. The Flash Comics Clue	1:47	CD Track 10
13. The Kinks/You Really Got Me	2:15
14. Doctor, Lawyer, Lutheran *	3:12	CD Track 14
15. Leaving Brenda	1:21	CD Track 11 (1:04-end)
16. The Airport Scene	2:27	CD Track 05
17. Frank Sinatra/Come Fly With Me	3:19	CD Track 03
18. Recollections (The Father?s Theme)	5:16	CD Track 04
19. Nat King Cole/The Christmas Song	3:11	CD Track 12
20. ?Welcome To The F.B.I.?	4:26	CD Track 13
21. End Credits	5:14	CD Track 16

*This track could be split at the 1:02 mark into Frank Conners, M.D. (second half) and Assistant Prosecutor (first half), if you really want your CD in total film order, but it doesn?t sound nearly as good that way.

Recommended CD listening order: 1, 9, 8, 7, 11, 2, 6, 15, 10, 14, 5, 3, 4, 12, 13, 16

Notes on Album Tracks

Track 1 ? Catch Me If You Can (2:42)

In the film a few extra finger snaps are added into the otherwise identical main title between 2:14 and 2:24

Track 2 ? The ?Float? (4:56)

A concert arrangement of the ?crime? theme

Track 4 ? Recollections (The Father?s Theme) (5:16)

A concert arrangement of the theme used for failure, connected to Frank?s dad at the beginning of the film, and Frank himself near the film?s end.

Track 5 ? The Airport Scene (2:23)

(0:00 ? 0:45) Not in film ? extended intro

(0:45 ? 1:35) Film cue ? reworked alternate version

(1:35 ? end) Alternate end to film cue, still matches the timing of the film.

Track 7 ? Learning The Ropes (8:44)

(0:00 ? 3:21) Learning The Ropes Part 1 ? alternate version. There is more exuberant music for the moment when Frank first sees the airline pilot and stewardesses getting out of a cab.

(3:21 ? 5:31) Unused portion of this cue, meant for the middle of the Learning The Ropes sequence, where Frank poses as a high school newspaper reporter to interview a Pan Am spokesman, then gets fitted for a pilot?s uniform. These scenes were left unscored in the final film.

(5:31 ? end) Learning The Ropes Part 2 ? alternate version. Leaves off the last thirty seconds of the film version.

Track 8 ? Father and Son (3:15)

(0:00 ? 2:05) Film cue - alternate version

(2:05 ? end) Not in film ? extended end

Track 10 ? The Flash Comics Clue (1:47)

(0:00 ? 0:48) Film cue - alternate version

(0:48 ? end) Not in film - unknown

Track 11 ? Deadheading (2:25)

(0:00 ? 1:02) Deadheading ? film version

(1:02 ? end) Leaving Brenda ? alternate version

Track 13 ? A Broken Home (4:26)

A totally misleading title. This music is not from the scene the title would suggest, where Frank?s parents get divorced and he must pick with whom he wants to live.

(0:00 ? 1:50) ?Welcome To The F.B.I.? ? alternate version

(1:50 ? end) Not in film ? extended end

Track 14 ? Doctor, Lawyer, Lutheran (3:12)

(0:00 ? 1:02) Assistant Prosecutor ? alternate version

(1:02 ? end) Frank Conners, M.D. ? film version

Track 16 ? Catch Me If You Can (Reprise and End Credits) (5:14)

End credits ? alternate, shorter version

[Jay 44,531]

Lets all thank James for his hard work!

[jamesluckard 81]

Jason,

Thanks so much for all of your own work in making this file viewable by all.

James

[Mr. Breathmask 623]

Cool.

I'm surprised to see the album is so messed up chronologically. I had expected at least some logic in the sequencing.

- Marc

[fommes 163]

Great job.

I didn't know the cues for the album were rerecordings. I thought they didn't do that anymore.

[Kevin McCallister 0]

I'm sorry, but am I the only one who disagrees with a good deal of this list?

First of all, how is it known that all the music on the album was re-recorded? I was also under the impression that this wasn't done anymore.

Also, there are several times when "Father And Son" is tracked in the film, and isn't another cue - Father and Son, No One Else To Call and Divorce. Divorce is also tracked with part of "Recollections" at the end of it. "Ask Me To Stop" is also tracked from "Recollections".

"Captured" and "You Let Him Get Away" also seem to be the same track, both unreleased, but the same cue. The End Credits are tracked as well I believe.

"Learning the Ropes" is confusing, as it is only that brief portion at 3:21 that sounds different from the film.

"A Broken Home" is tracked in two of the above cues - Your Father is Dead and the first half of Welcome to the F.B.I.

Just my takes.

[jamesluckard 81]

Okay, I should have made this clearer. The reason I say that the whole album is a re-recording is that, although the tracks that match up to the film cues are approximate, the timing is subtly different. I played the DVD, while listening to the soundtrack album on my Discman. Although most of the pieces of music are nearly identical, there are always differences. Specific instruments come in a second or two later or earlier, and instrumentation varies slightly from the film versions.

The only two cues that are represented absolutely identically on the album are Deadheading and Frank Connors, M.D.

As for re-recording for albums not being common anymore, when I saw John Williams at the Kennedy Center last year, someone asked him about this at the Q&A session, and he said that he likes to re-record his scores for the albums still. He wants to reimagine the listening experience, since there's no sound f/x or dialogue to compete with. I'm paraphrasing, of course, but that was the gist of it. I think you'll find that portions of the A.I. and Minority Report albums are re-recordings as well.

You're welcome to disagree with me, but I think if you do what I did and listen to the film score and the album versions simultaneously, you'll find that they simply don't match at all.

(I should point out that I am watching the DVD on a Region 1 NTSC system, so there is not the 4% speed-up that afflicts PAL movie viewing. The film is running at just about exactly the speed it did in theaters.)

When you say that only the middle of Learning The Ropes is different, I think you must have missed my descriptions of the differences between the film versions and the album track. The pacing of this track is also, like almost all the others, a bit different.

Sorry if any of this sounds unpleasant. I'm sure you want only to help in pointing things out, it's just that I spent a great deal of time listening to this music, over and over, and the differences were very clear to me.

As for the other questions you brought up, I'll take a look at those tiomorrow. I never considered "Reflections" when I was looking for film cues on the album, because Spielberg specifically calls it a concert piece in the liner notes, but it's entirely possible I missed some things there.

[Jay 44,531]

One of the reasons the "timing" could be different is that you were playing the cd on a discman. Every cd player in the world plays cds at subtley different speeds (especially battery-operated ones). The only way to play a cd at its accurate speed (and therefore potentially line it up with the movie) is to rip it to your hard drive and play the WAV files that way.

I'm not saying that the album isn't a re-recording, just that perhaps some of the differences in timing were caused by that.

[jamesluckard 81]

Well, if people just don't want to agree, that's fine, free country and all.

However, as I said, the differences were not tiny, they were often a full second or two. Literally. Sometimes even more. And the mismatches would be early and then late on the same piece sometimes. I can't believe any CD player would be able to play at such off speeds. And the differences were not just in the timing, but in instrumentation and the very playing of the instruments as well. These were noticable differences.

I wouldn't consider anything but word from people who worked on the recordings themselves to be definitive, but these facts, coupled with the very clear answer given by John Williams at the concert I went to, are enough for me at least.

[Kendal_Ozzel 36]

Great work on the list, James. I just listened to the score again in order and it sounded great.

I was surprised when you said the album was mostly rerecordings, but I believe you. I know that once you do a list like this, you get to know the music better than anybody else, and perhaps better than anyone might ever desire to.

[Bespin Copilot 10,260]

Sorry, I just waked up on this news. Maybe other people missed the info too...

 

For the need of my discography, is it really a "re-recording" or is it like the case of E.T., where the album is "Mainly featuring concert arrangements based on the film's music, but this is not a re-recording."

[Jay 44,531]

I think he was simply wrong, and its not a complete rerecording at all.

 

The album simply used some different takes than the film did.

[Bespin Copilot 10,260]

Experts, please state on this. All the re-recordings and the special case of E.T. are documented in my discography (search for the keyword "re-recording" in the albums page).

 

If Catch Me if You Can is a special case, I want to know, thanks!

[Jay 44,531]

I'm not an expert?

I see how it is.

[Bespin Copilot 10,260]

I just want others advice.

 

Start by removing the eroneous information from your website and your forum, if you want to help.

 

This topic starts with "The album is clearly a re-recording".

[Jay 44,531]

Oh give me a break.  Like you've never made a mistake before

[Arpy 4,226]

10 hours ago, Bespin said:

Sorry, I just waked up on this news. Maybe other people missed the info too...

 

For the need of my discography, is it really a "re-recording" or is it like the case of E.T., where the album is "Mainly featuring concert arrangements based on the film's music, but this is not a re-recording."

Wouldn't it be more likely that this was the case, @Jay? Not that I'm pointing fingers or anything, I wouldn't have a clue where as to the true nature of the album....

 

It would be like Williams releasing the HP1 album, but it's only the Children's Suite. Not entirely a re-recording, but arrangements recorded at the same time as the sessions?

[Incanus 5,883]

2 hours ago, Arpy said:

Wouldn't it be more likely that this was the case, @Jay? Not that I'm pointing fingers or anything, I wouldn't have a clue where as to the true nature of the album....

 

It would be like Williams releasing the HP1 album, but it's only the Children's Suite. Not entirely a re-recording, but arrangements recorded at the same time as the sessions?

The most curious thing is that the HP1 album is a hybrid between the two, Children's Suite material edited into the film cues and presented independently but not the whole suite.

[Arpy 4,226]

Yes, it's strange but it was 2001, only a year before Catch Me If You Can. Williams possibly thought the suites were more important than the underscore as he usually does, but the excision of Entry to the Great Hall, The Dark Forest and just about everything else is unforgiveable!!

[Bespin Copilot 10,260]

The albums of John Williams often have been a wise mix between score cues and suites.

 

But in the Case if catch me if you can, if we only speak about the use of different takes, there's nothing more to say.

 

The subject poped out in another thread and the info found on the first post of this one may leads to false assumptions.

 

If one day Mike Matessino revisit the score, I guess he will privilegiate the movie takes and add the album ones in bonus, only if they are very different, no?

[Incanus 5,883]

57 minutes ago, Arpy said:

Yes, it's strange but it was 2001, only a year before Catch Me If You Can. Williams possibly thought the suites were more important than the underscore as he usually does, but the excision of Entry to the Great Hall, The Dark Forest and just about everything else is unforgiveable!!

Williams has always been very conscious of his album programming, perhaps even more than your average film composer, which is shown by the countless concert arrangements found on his OSTs. They often work as a sort of  thematic "road map" to the score and also provide additional strength to the listening experience of the score as pure music.

[Arpy 4,226]

Indeed, although it's a crying shame to have such brilliant music omitted, making people wait decades for a proper release!

[Incanus 5,883]

14 minutes ago, Arpy said:

Indeed, although it's a crying shame to have such brilliant music omitted, making people wait decades for a proper release!

Very true.

[Jurassic Shark 15,797]

Still, you've got to respect the composer's wishes.

[bollemanneke 4,215]

Huh, I was literally just reading this thread and now it gets bumped.

[Jurassic Shark 15,797]

Life is full of "coincidences".

[crumbs 15,834]

Do you know something we don't? 

[Jurassic Shark 15,797]

Probably, but not on this topic.

[Arpy 4,226]

Just waiting for the expanded set to come along. Any decade now...

[Jurassic Shark 15,797]

Just keep refreshing this thread!

[Arpy 4,226]

Legend has it that refreshing the thread the number of times of the year the score was released has a higher chance of an expansion being released. I haven't made it to 2002 yet...

[Jurassic Shark 15,797]

The important thing is that you have a meaningful hobby!

[Arpy 4,226]

A JWFan is never without a meaningful hobby.

 

I've got to get back to watching reruns of Family Guy until I cry myself to sleep.

[Jurassic Shark 15,797]

😱

[jamesluckard 81]

Wow, 20 years later (hard to believe) and I just saw Jay's breakdown of the album from Nov 2022, after the cue sheets leaked. I'm shocked by how far off I was on some things, partly because I never imagined the actual film cues would be sliced and diced this much on the album, and partly because I had seen John Williams speak, only months earlier, at a concert, about re-recording portions of his scores for his albums, so I assumed that's what this album was. At least I got a few things right. I'm quoting Jay's album breakdown here, so it's in a convenient place to clarify all the mistakes I made in 2004.

 

Hopefully someone can edit the page on the main website with my now-wildly-outdated 2004 info:

https://jwfan.com/?p=3567

 

 

 

Catch Me If You Can

 

01 Catch Me If You Can

• Closing In w/ Insert and New Ending

02 The Float

1. 0:00-0:45 = 7M4 Front Extension
2. 0:45-3:43 = 7M4 Frank and Carl [bars 11-28,41-169]
3. 3:43-4:23 = 7M4 End Extension [bars 1-34]
4. 4:34-end = 7M4 Frank and Carl [bars 191-192,195-end]

04 Recollections

• Reflections

05 The Airport Scene

1. 0:00-0:41 = 4M5 F.B.I. Net
2. 0:41-end = 5M9 The Airport Scene [bars 8-end]

07 Learning The Ropes

1. 0:00-2:24 = 2M4 Learning the Ropes [bars 1-52, 55-72, 75-90]
2. 2:24–2:42 = 2M4 Stewardess Insert
3. 2:42–6:03 = 2M4 Learning the Ropes [bars 104-176, 179-254]
4. 6:03–end = 2M4A Learning the Ropes Part II

08 Father And Son

1. 0:00–2:03 = 1M3 Father and Son [bars 1-21,24-35]
2. 2:03–end = 5M5 Let’s Call a Truce

10 The Flash Comics Clue

1. 0:00–0:47 = 4M1alt. Flash Comics
2. 0:47–1:32 = 6M9 Catch Me [bars 26-49,57-64]
3. 1:32–end = Closing In [bars 65-72]

11 Deadheading

1. 0:00–1:01 = 2M5 Deadhead
2. 1:01-end = 5M8 Up the Staircase

13 A Broken Home

1. 0:00–1:51 = 7M1 First Day at Work [bars 1-30]
2. 1:51–2:06 = 6M5 Consulting the Penner Bros. [bars 19-23]
3. 2:06-end = 2M3 The Divorce Scene

14 Doctor, Lawyer, Lutheran

1. 0:00–1:02 = 5M1 Self-Made Lawyer [bars 1-34, 43-53]
2. 1:02–end = 4M4 I’m a Doctor

Track 16 Catch Me If You Can (Reprise and End Credits)

1. 0:00–2:31 = 7M4 Frank and Carl [1-83, 165-192, 195-end]
2. 2:31–end = Closing In w/ Insert and New Ending

And here's the cue sheet I found online, to match up with the tracks in Jay's breakdown above:

 

Catch Me If You Can (2002) - John Williams

 

Closing In

Closing In Insert

1m3 Father and Son

2m3 The Divorce Scene

2m4 Learning the Ropes

2m4Insert #2

2m4Insert Stewardness Insert

2m4A Learning the Ropes Part II

2m5 Dead Head

2m6 Picking a Bank Teller

2m7 The Float

3m5Alt Hanratty Closes In

3m6 Hanratty Tricked

4m1Alt Flash Comics

4m2Alt Yearbook

4m2 School Yearbook

4m4 I'm a Doctor

4m5Alt Protective Father

4m5 F.B.I. Net

4m6 Permission to Marry

4m7Alt F.B.I. Guns, Insert

4m7 F.B.I. Guns

5m1 Self Made Lawyer

5m5 Let's Call a Truce

5m8 The Staircase

5m9 The Airport Scene

5m9Insert Brenda Insert

6m1 Hanratty At Work

6m1Alt Covering the Airport

6m5 Consulting the Penner Bros

6m9 Catch Me

7m1 First Day At Work

7m2 The Lure of the Past

7m3 Frank Comes Back!

7m4 Frank and Carl