#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 To whom do you think the theme belongs the most?I'm not talking about the legal nonsense, i'm talking about what you think and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 It's all John Barry. He was brought back to score the majority of the series, while Norman hasn't done much.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 While Monty Markham may have written it, John Barry gave it life, but it took Marvin Hamlish to give it the real kick it needed.Joe, listening to Bond 77. Disco will never die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2005 Author Share Posted February 26, 2005 but it took Marvin Hamlish to give it the real kick it needed.You must be joking!Joe, listening to Bond 77. Disco will never die.It has, and the world is better for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Mr. Cosman is correct.- Marc, who cringes every time he hears the awful synth chord at the opening of TSWLM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 actionbut it took Marvin Hamlish to give it the real kick it needed. reactionYou must be joking! I love Bond 77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 And in answer to the poll: I think it was something of a collaborative effort.- Marc, who shall therefor withhold from voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2005 Author Share Posted February 26, 2005 Marc, Bond 77 is a lot of fun and I hope they will someday release the version composed for the Ski chase and skydive scene.But I do not think Hamlish really added anything to the theme, he just did is own arrangement on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I'm sorry, what is Bond 77? Is it just another name for TSWLM, or am I missing something here?I really don't like the style Hamlish chose for this film, although I think Conti's FYEO is worse (Serra's GoldenEye eclipses them all in pure badness, but we already knew that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2005 Author Share Posted February 26, 2005 It's the name for Hamlish's disco arrangement of the James Bond Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Oww. I'm not sure if I've actually ever heard that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2005 Author Share Posted February 26, 2005 You saw The Spy Who Loved me, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2005 Author Share Posted February 26, 2005 The obviously you have heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Must've not made much of an impression then. - Marc, who only remembers utterly disliking the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2005 Author Share Posted February 26, 2005 Must've not made much of an impression then. and - Marc, who only remembers utterly disliking the score.These statements are in complete contradiction with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Let me rephrase: It did not leave much of a good impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,798 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I think Think Barry did arrange it differently so many times he surely knows it by heart and Norman may not even be able to hum it...And i read that Dr No had just 'tropical' mood/ backbroung music, so i think that Barry did create the bond sound, making the theme fit in it (on the contrary of norman, since the theme is not tropical looking...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 And in answer to the poll: I think it was something of a collaborative effort.Exactly. It is one of those wonderful freakish moments when two minds created something that neither could have done individually. Monty Norman was inspired when he came up with the melody, but it took the genius of John Barry to realize it's potantial. In all fairness to John Barry I feel the theme should be credited to Norman/Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 However, I will always defend Hamlish's great score for The Spy Who Loved Me! It's perfect for the film, and has a few gorgeous moments (the piano comes in as the scene switches to Bond and XXX on the boat. Mmmmm lovely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKenLittle 6 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 First of all... It is Marvin Hamlisch... Sorry, but mis-spelling names bugs the hell out of me.Secondly, I feel like Monty Norman might have written some kind of a melody line, perhaps the basic guitar riff, I don't know. But I truly believe that it was John Barry that really "completed" the theme with his terrific arrangments and orchestrations... Much the same way that Giorgio Moroder "composed" the music to many films in the 80s, that were actually completed by the likes of Sylvester Levay and Harold Faltermeyer.BKLPS: Bond 77 is my favourite of the non-Barry arrangments of the Bond theme... Anyone who doesn't get this, just don't know how to par-tay!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 27, 2005 Author Share Posted February 27, 2005 Secondly, I feel like Monty Norman might have written some kind of a melody line, perhaps the basic guitar riff, I don't know. I think the guitar riff part is the only thing he wrote.It is the only melody that can be heard in his score for Dr. No, i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Norman is the architect of the structure and the colors of the theme. So, Norman's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 154 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 John Barry. Norman may have written some melody, but didn't he for one compose it for another film or thing first? Anyhow, it's the arrangement and orchestration that does it in the Bond theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 28, 2005 Author Share Posted February 28, 2005 Norman is the architect of the structure and the colors of the theme. So, Norman's.I'm pretty sure Barry is responsible for the colors of the theme as we came to know and love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmanand 0 Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I know you said none of this "legal nonsense", but I still back Norman. Barry went to court TWICE, and lost both times. In each trial, the exact history of the theme, and the musical details of who composed what, were gone over in excruciating detail. Barry lost. Norman composed it.However, obviously, Barry's arrangements are far superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 28, 2005 Author Share Posted February 28, 2005 Actually, Barry lost because everyone relevant who was involved with the scoring of Dr. No is no longer alive.Neither Norman's or Barry's version of events can be proven in a court of Law anymore, so Norman's credit for the theme was more or less maintained by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 And in answer to the poll: I think it was something of a collaborative effort.Exactly. It is one of those wonderful freakish moments when two minds created something that neither could have done individually. Monty Norman was inspired when he came up with the melody, but it took the genius of John Barry to realize it's potantial. In all fairness to John Barry I feel the theme should be credited to Norman/Barry.This encapsulates my view precisely. But, then, what do I know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Looks like the board's opinion hasn't changed much in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Yeah, but bury it in the sand for a thousand years, it becomes priceless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 As we're on the subject of Bond and Bond '77, here ya gohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6KOx48AnZ8...feature=related And 2 personal favourites of mine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5g8_KequV8...feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 When it comes to 007, musically it's definitely Barry, as he was the one who gave the franchise its definite sound and musical language, into which all other future 007 composers have at least dabbled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I think it was a joint effort that needed both of them, but if Norman did indeed write the primary theme that Barry used as the base for his, then Norman does have a bit more right to claim it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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