The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret Of the Unicorn by John Williams

[Josh500 1,616]

But anyway, I can't believe it's only another month till we get a new JW album! Boy, I hope time passes quickly.

[Moloko 0]

Hey guys, found something over at imdb.

When you look for Cast and Crew of Tintin and scroll down you already find a short Music Department list:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0983193/fullcredits#cast

Odd thing is that it states a guy named Alejandro de la Llosa as orchestrator alongside Conrad Pope.

If you look further at his credits it seems that he is orchestrating a lot for Remote Control composers like Zimmer!

I do not hope that Spielberg wants the Zimmer-sound for Johnnys score

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,422]

Williams could not sound like Zimmer even if he wanted too, even if they put a gun to his head!

[King Mark 3,729]

oh no

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,422]

Don't worry KM.

The orchestrators for John Williams only ever do copyist work, and they have never had any impact on how a Williams score sounds.

that's what we have been told time and time again.

[Incanus 5,816]

Don't worry KM.

The orchestrators for John Williams only ever do copyist work, and they have never had any impact on how a Williams score sounds.

that's what we have been told time and time again.

Yes and it is very true. And I am sure an orchestrator can't stamp his own sound on the music even if he wants to. I can imagine that any composer would raise an eye brow if suddenly his action music would have all unisono horns and thick soup of bass drones instead of the woodwinds he wanted and wrote there originally. And that orchestrator would be pretty soon on the street looking for another job.

Btw the guys has also orchestrated for Howard Shore. Not a merit to some of us but I think it is sure a lot more comforting than POTC 4 in the credit list.

[Moloko 0]

As I said this is very odd. When you look back the last ten years Williams always approached Conrad Pope, Eddie Karam or John Neufeld. Perhaps those at imdb made a mistake.

I am sure Williams is the last to sound like those clones at RC!!! He'll battle them with xylophone and flutes...

[Incanus 5,816]

Yes it is more of a curiosity of why wouldn't JW hire his usual suspects. Could be any number of reasons, mostly that there could be conflicting schedules and I do not know if John Neufeld still works as his credits at IMDB end with Terminal in 2004.

[publicist 4,647]

Perhaps those at imdb made a mistake.

I would never believe that!

[Incanus 5,816]

Perhaps those at imdb made a mistake.

I would never believe that!

I have sadly noticed that IMDB is an unreliable source at best, always needing corroborating evidence from other sources. I know it is a huge site with so much information but they should try to keep it as accurate as possible.

[Moloko 0]

Yes it is more of a curiosity of why wouldn't JW hire his usual suspects. Could be any number of reasons, mostly that there could be conflicting schedules and I do not know if John Neufeld still works as his credits at IMDB end with Terminal in 2004.

I also guess this has something to do with scheduling conflicts. I mean, Pope probably wasn't available ALL the time over the last two(???) years JW was writing/changing the music. After all Pope was also busy orchestrating for Desplat and writing his own scores... and Karam was working on War Horse and as you said Neufeld most likely has retired.

[TownerFan 5,230]

Hey guys, found something over at imdb.

When you look for Cast and Crew of Tintin and scroll down you already find a short Music Department list:

http://www.imdb.com/...ullcredits#cast

Odd thing is that it states a guy named Alejandro de la Llosa as orchestrator alongside Conrad Pope.

If you look further at his credits it seems that he is orchestrating a lot for Remote Control composers like Zimmer!

I do not hope that Spielberg wants the Zimmer-sound for Johnnys score

People, don't get paranoid over this kind of things. Orchestrators are guns-for-hire, they only do what they're requested for. It's likely that Alejandro de la Llosa is part of the team of people who generally work with Conrad Pope (who himself has orchestrated also for RC's people).

Tintin will be a John Williams' score from beginning to the end, don't worry.

[Jonesy 55]

Hey guys, found something over at imdb.

When you look for Cast and Crew of Tintin and scroll down you already find a short Music Department list:

http://www.imdb.com/...ullcredits#cast

Odd thing is that it states a guy named Alejandro de la Llosa as orchestrator alongside Conrad Pope.

If you look further at his credits it seems that he is orchestrating a lot for Remote Control composers like Zimmer!

I do not hope that Spielberg wants the Zimmer-sound for Johnnys score

People, don't get paranoid over this kind of things. Orchestrators are guns-for-hire, they only do what they're requested for. It's likely that Alejandro de la Llosa is part of the team of people who generally work with Conrad Pope (who himself has orchestrated also for RC's people).

Tintin will be a John Williams' score from beginning to the end, don't worry.

POTC The Curse Of The Black Pearl was orchestrated by Conrad Pope , if I'm not wrong.

[Darth Crossfader 577]

Awesome. Cant wait to hear Tintin's awesome synth theme!

[publicist 4,647]

POTC The Curse Of The Black Pearl was orchestrated by Conrad Pope , if I'm not wrong.

Surely one of his proudest achievements.

[crocodile 8,539]

That score was mint!

Karol

[BloodBoal 7,541]

[Muad'Dib 1,870]

Wasn't de la Llosa the guy who conducted a couple of cues? I remember I read a report on that some time ago...

[crocodile 8,539]

That was Gustavo Dudamel.

Karol

[Josh500 1,616]

Dear God. Some of you guys are really overthinking this.

Two orchestrators are credited, but Alejandro de la Llosa probably only did a short source music.

I couldn't care less. It's not like it says all of a sudden "Music Composed and Conducted by John Williams and Alejandro de la Llosa."

[Jonesy 55]

POTC The Curse Of The Black Pearl was orchestrated by Conrad Pope , if I'm not wrong.

Surely one of his proudest achievements.

But POTC isn't a symphonic score

[Muad'Dib 1,870]

That was Gustavo Dudamel.

Karol

Aaahh, I see... Well, we could always ask Conrad Pope about this new guy. Maybe Williams likes his work and decided to give him a shot, who knows?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,422]

Obviously John Williams is employing South Americans because they will work for next too nothing and clean his pool...

[Muad'Dib 1,870]

Obviously John Williams is employing South Americans because they will work for next too nothing and clean his pool...

Ahem...

[fommes 155]

Ah Michael, yes, I wanted to talk to you about the dust I noticed on the JWFan-banner.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,422]

Its political correctness gone mad.

[crocodile 8,539]

If that bothered me as much, I would have been long gone.

Karol

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,422]

You are Polish right?

That's the European, EU regulated version of the Mexican illegal immigrant.

[crocodile 8,539]

That's more like it! I feared you started to mellow with age.

Karol

[Incanus 5,816]

On a Tintin subject it is less than a month to the soundtrack release in Europe and still no information. Sony is really keeping this under their hat. No track list or anything has appeared.

[Josh500 1,616]

Obviously John Williams is employing South Americans because they will work for next too nothing and clean his pool...

Ahem...

Steef is known as a racist. Don't worry.

On a Tintin subject it is less than a month to the soundtrack release in Europe and still no information. Sony is really keeping this under their hat. No track list or anything has appeared.

Track listings of soundtracks are released approximately 2-3 weeks before the release of the CD, aren't they?

[Incanus 5,816]

On a Tintin subject it is less than a month to the soundtrack release in Europe and still no information. Sony is really keeping this under their hat. No track list or anything has appeared.

Track listings of soundtracks are released approximately 2-3 weeks before the release of the CD, aren't they?

But I want it NOW!!! I want everything now, immediately, today!

[Josh500 1,616]

We will get things in this order:

1. cover art

2. track listings

3. samples

4. actual CD you can hold in your hands

We might get 1 and 2 simultaneously.

Dammit, I am obsessive!

[King Mark 3,729]

We will get things in this order:

1. cover art

2. track listings

3. samples

4- Rapidshare release

5. actual CD you can hold in your hands

We might get 1 and 2 simultaneously.

Dammit, I am obsessive!

[Josh500 1,616]

I was listing only the legal, official stuff.

[Incanus 5,816]

I do wonder if people who listen to "regular" music use the less than legal means of getting the album of their favourite artist before the release in their country? Or is it just us, the compulsive, the obsessive and the mad.

[Josh500 1,616]

It's not us against the rest of the world, you know.

Some do, some don't.

But generally, I would think that, if somebody admires an artist very much (regardless of whether it's a film composer or pop singer or rock artist or boy band, etc.), they buy their official releases. Just to support them.

[Incanus 5,816]

It's not us against the rest of the world, you know.

Some do, some don't.

But generally, I would think that, if somebody admires an artist very much (regardless of whether it's a film composer or pop singer or rock artist or boy band, etc.), they buy their official releases. Just to support them.

I think film music fans are truly a very special group among music fans. I have never encountered such industry, such attention to detail and minutiae than among us. We talk of milliseconds, crossfades, alternates, self-done edits etc. which is something I believe you don't encounter very much anywhere else in music fandom. This music by its nature welcomes besides the normal interest to hear good music a certain kind of obsessive interest that comes to fans who follow both film and music media. It is almost like half of the fun to some of us, the cataloguing of small details and making sure every second of music is on the release and worrying about it more than enjoying the music itself.

And of course people want to support their favourite artists. I do not mean that we do not get e..g. Tintin CD when it comes out. I plan to get it ASAP. I meant that it would be interesting to know how much more film music fans traffic with "internet provided" materials compared to others.

[Josh500 1,616]

Many fans (though not all, by means) of classical music and operas also pay attention to the smallest details and minutiae...

But again, I am a film music fan too and I generally don't, and I don't think I am an exception. I just want to have every official JW release, and a few good unreleased cues as well, when they come my way.

[fommes 155]

It's because, generally, when they release an opera, a symphony, or a regular music band album, it won't have left out tracks or micro-edited the music. Back when Casino Royale was released, I had hoped that more soundtracks would follow suit - release an album, edited for listening experience, and release the rest of the tracks digitally. But no.

[Incanus 5,816]

It's because, generally, when they release an opera, a symphony, or a regular music band album, it won't have left out tracks or micro-edited the music. Back when Casino Royale was released, I had hoped that more soundtracks would follow suit - release an album, edited for listening experience, and release the rest of the tracks digitally. But no.

For classical music it is much more true than for band albums that the music is presented in complete form. We do not know and will never know what was left off an album that has a recorded classical work, unless we have heard it before and spot revisions. This I think is often done and has been done for ages when composer alters his composition after hearing it for the first time, the little inner self-critique rearing its head. But mostly ignorant is bliss when it comes to band albums, unless someone informs us that 20 songs were left in the studio floor, considered by the band not good enough for the album. In film music fans rarely view the difference between a soundtrack album and the actual score in the same way the composer does.

A commercial product VS the complete artistic work presented in its entirety, the good with the bad. I do not like microediting anymore than you do and prefer my film scores complete if possible but I can also enjoy the OST albums for what they are, a composer created representation of his work from a film, meant by him to stand on its own and provide a listening experience. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. And what I am trying to say is, that there is normally no comparison for a band album, no way of finding out that 20 cool new songs that might have been there, are not. For film music there is always the film for comparison and almost always the foreknowledge that something will be missing. If that bothers us is a question for each and every one of us as individuals I guess.

[fommes 155]

Yes, but with tracks left off by a band, it normally is a completely new, different song - without any thematic/musical ideas that are connected to the other tracks.

And I love to have an album listening experience that presents a score as an artistic work/soundtrack album - I just think that they should make the rest available as well as bonus tracks somewhere. Today that's done very easily.

[Incanus 5,816]

Yes, but with tracks left off by a band, it normally is a completely new, different song - without any thematic/musical ideas that are connected to the other tracks.

And I love to have an album listening experience that presents a score as an artistic work/soundtrack album - I just think that they should make the rest available as well as bonus tracks somewhere. Today that's done very easily.

Yes I agree that now as the technology facilitates it and presenting music in digital form is not difficult, a norm of the day, it would be a great favour to all the fans to make it all available for those willing to pay for it since it would probably involve very little effort on the composers' side.

And as a supporting argument we could say that you do not release an opera or a symphony or a tone poem only in snippets or with music edited out when you release it for the first time. So why would you do that to a film score?`But film music is obviously a different animal in most eyes and part of an even harsher economic climate than classical music.

[Josh500 1,616]

Let's face it: classical music in general (Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, etc.) is of a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher quality than your average orchestral score.

John Williams is a notable exception, of course.

[Incanus 5,816]

Let's face it: classical music in general (Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, etc.) is of a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher quality than your average orchestral score.

John Williams is a notable exception, of course.

Hence even the composers' own reluctance to release them in complete form. As a rule artists have a high level of self-criticism finding always room for improvement even in things their fans adore and praise to high heaven.

[King Mark 3,729]

I dunno, were still getting the old Williams edited incomplete soundtrack with no extras, just like every single Willilams OST ever released

Then you get things like Tron and Deathly Hallows where bonus cues are everywhere you can almost make a complete score edit

Just this once, it would be nice if Sony would make somekind "deluxe set" with useless crap but extra music like they did for DH part 1 .I guess it's way too much to hope for with a Williams release

[Incanus 5,816]

I think it is a bit too much to hope for a deluxe treatment for the score. Williams has never been too partial to those. At most he has put the bonus track on AOTC soundtrack but I can't recall his score albums being marketed with extra music. We usually get collectible covers.

The soundtrack release is a composer/label thing and if the franchise/movie has enough pull and will likely sell albums they consider adding extra material I would think. If only JW was not so modest. And if only he wanted to get all his music out there.

[Jay 39,586]

I really think all the important highlights will make it to the OST. This isn't a case like the SW, IJ, or HP movies where 2 CDs are necessary to fit everything. Tintin is a smaller film with a shorter running time.

[King Mark 3,729]

What I'm saying is that most scores released these days have a ton of bonus cues left and right. With Williams were stuck in 1975 type of album presentation with the remaining of the recording sessions hauled directly to Level 10 of the Sony Vault

[Jay 39,586]

"Most"? I think not.