Doo_liss 6,970 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Saw this image on TORn, thought it looked kind of funny.: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doo_liss 6,970 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Gandalf sitting down like that, in the bunny sled, it looks a little silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,827 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Gandalf sitting down like that, in the bunny sled, it looks a little silly.That is certainly not the only funny thing about the aforementioned sled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doo_liss 6,970 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Gandalf sitting down like that, in the bunny sled, it looks a little silly.That is certainly not the only funny thing about the aforementioned sled.That it looks like it is groining Peter Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,827 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Gandalf sitting down like that, in the bunny sled, it looks a little silly.That is certainly not the only funny thing about the aforementioned sled.That it looks like it is groining Peter Jackson?Well everything apart from Gandalf really. Plus there are no CGI Bunnies of Doom yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Seems to be in Dol Guldur.I'm seeing Radagast racing through the staircases ... the horror ....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,827 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Seems to be in Dol Guldur.I'm seeing Radagast racing through the staircases ... the horror ....!Oh no. Bunnies of Doom can traverse any terrain and in any weather.Perhaps Radgy will provide Gandalf a ride to the nearest pony express station so he can arrive on a horse to Erebor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 2,011 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Gandalf seems to have radagast's staff....So he does not get it from Radagasts cold dead hands... Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,827 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Gandalf seems to have radagast's staff....So he does not get it from Radagasts cold dead hands...Gandalf Greyhame, Gandalf the Staff Thief! Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This just shows how lame The Hobbit discussion has become, and how people are grasping at anything just find find more stuff to hate.In 2002 there was barely any mention, much less complaint about the fact that Gandalf the White obtained a whole new staff. Much less who clad him. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,827 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This just shows how lame The Hobbit discussion has become, and how people are grasping at anything just find find more stuff to hate.In 2002 there was barely any mention, much less complaint about the fact that Gandalf the White obtained a whole new staff. Much less who clad him.We all know it was Galadriel!And it is not hate. I reserve it for something special like non-sensical deviations from the plot of the Hobbit! No wait I don't actually hate the films as such. I just like to nit-pit out of habit.I just can't watch idly by when people foam mouthedly praise these films for something they certainly aren't in my opinion. And this is not about staffs or bunny sleds (ok a bit about the bunny sleds) but rather about the general feeling of disappointment for a slack adaptation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 No we dont know!In the books maybe, but not the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,827 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 No we dont know!In the books maybe, but not the filmYeah they forgot to add that flashback of Gandalf travelling via Gwaihîr to Lothlorien. Darn them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doo_liss 6,970 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Woulda had a R rating for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 For Wizard nudity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 2,011 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This just shows how lame The Hobbit discussion has become, and how people are grasping at anything just find find more stuff to hate.In 2002 there was barely any mention, much less complaint about the fact that Gandalf the White obtained a whole new staff. Much less who clad him.It's lame for PJ to used Gandalf LOTR staff for Radagast, and giving gandalf a new desinged one for the Hobbit.If Gandalf had retained the one he used in LOTR and Radagast had a unique one, it dont think you would see a single complain. But it's just PJ who wants to add some backstory for some inanimate wooden staff that does not need it!BTW i never noticed Galdalf had to get a new staff after his "retirement" in Orthanc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,163 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Finally watched the DOS EE trailer. Definitely doesn't give too much away. Can't wait to see the new scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 BTW i never noticed Galdalf had to get a new staff after his "retirement" in Orthanc...In FOTR he loses one in Orthanc, but regains an identical one in imladris.Was never quite sure how that worked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,713 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Maybe he was a wardrobe full of them?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 PJ is a hack! FOTR SUCKS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doo_liss 6,970 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 From what I recall, the FOTR staves are not totally identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 We need picture evidence!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 More concerning to me was how Gandalf's staff got obliterated in ROTK (sacrilge on PJ's part!!), but it reappears once more in the Grey Havens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,713 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Reshooting schedule craziness, perhaps?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hobbit discussion is slow because there is no news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,161 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 He somehow acquired a new one in Rivendell. The prop labels describe the second fellowship staff as "Rivendell to Moria". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,827 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 The staff of the wizard was clearly a very important artefact, being the sign of their order and most probably individually given to them for their journey to Middle Earth. Thus it makes a bit silly how Gandalf loses his staff all the time in the films.Yeah the "spare staff" Gandalf had after his escape from Orthanc is a mystery. I don't think Saruman confiscated it in the novel at all.Heh the second Gandalf the White staff is another fun conundrum. Galadriel must have brough him another one from Lothlorien.Interestingly (or not depending on the person's love of minutiae of LotR) Tolkien never ever states the wood from which Gandalf the Grey's staff was made. Gandalf the White's staff is said to be of ash tree in TTT. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,161 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Gandalf was only imprisoned and I liken it to the telling in the Ralph Bakshi film. He was rescued and just kept the same staff. The duel in Orthanc in the film necessitates a new staff and so it wouldn't be too unrealistic to fashion a new staff at Rivendell. Afterall, the props were based off upturned tree roots. The second White staff is only a problem if you accept the EE scene as canon. The theatrical edition just has him without a staff until after the battle. I'm trying to rationalize away editing decisions at the end of the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 2,011 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Ok mystery solved...FOTR's second staff is Radagast's. Either Gandalf has it hidden as a spare part somewhere (maybe with gwaihir) or Radagast is alive in FOTR and gave it to him. Gwaiihir is supposed to have been sent by radagast, isnt he?I suppose in the films, mages can create stafs on their own. Getting a branch and magically transforming it. They could have shown that at least once (after all gandalf seems to have up to 4 staves....). And it would eliminate all this talk about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 This is an issue that will need to be addressed in some future SE of FOTR. Maybe PJ is shooting extra footage now which explains what happens after Gandalf escapes from Isengard. I mean how that he has had both actors on set, it's a great way to do it.We also need new footage of Galdalf in Lothlorien after being reborn and carried away by the Eagles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,827 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 This is an issue that will need to be addressed in some future SE of FOTR. Maybe PJ is shooting extra footage now which explains what happens after Gandalf escapes from Isengard. I mean how that he has had both actors on set, it's a great way to do it.We also need new footage of Galdalf in Lothlorien after being reborn and carried away by the Eagles...Yes these things need to be addressed with long backstories, perhaps even inventing new characters and events in the process! Maybe Ragdiel, Radagast's long lost sister who has hots for Gandalf made all those staves for him as courting presents! Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Surely you jest?We don't need that. We do need certain continuity issues that have developed to be even out. Like the staff business. Martin Freeman in FOTR, and deletion of the line "you havent aged a day", which makes me cringe now every time I hear it.Maybe FOTR Gollum needs to be adjusted too. But I rather they completely redo the TTT/ROTK Gollum so he looks like the AUJ version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,827 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Do we know when Gandalf has last seen Bilbo in FotR? It could be guessed that he has visited Bilbo in the intervening 60 years after the events of the Hobbit and thus has seen him as a bit older but after that he has ceased to age not that he stopped aging straight after turning 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Who knows, but in the nomenclature of the film, where we go from seeing Ian Holm as he finds the Ring to Ian Holm just before his birthday, that line works fine. But when they replace Ian with Martin in the prologue, it will lose any meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,827 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Who knows, but in the nomenclature of the film, where we go from seeing Ian Holm as he finds the Ring to Ian Holm just before his birthday, that line works fine. But when they replace Ian with Martin in the prologue, it will lose any meaning.Makes you wonder if there is going to be an epilogue to the BOFA where they foreshadow everything for FotR like Balin's departure to reclaim Moria etc. I am guessing Jack Nicholson will be leaving the theater again way before the film actually ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 "Did you die?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,906 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I've always hated the "too many endings" critique of Return of the King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I never thought it had too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,906 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Me neither. Everyone of them makes sense and his important to completing character arcs. None of them diminish the impact of the actual ending either. An ending which still (thanks to Howard Shore) brings a tear to my eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Imagine the critique if PJ would have included the scouring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,906 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It really would have had to be 4 films. I think the Scouring works in the book but I think omitting it from the film was the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Yeah, structurally I would not have worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 YET IT IS!!! AND IT MUST BE CORRECTED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 338 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 20th year anniversary edition you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,827 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It really would have had to be 4 films. I think the Scouring works in the book but I think omitting it from the film was the right choice. Yeah, structurally I would not have worked.Yes an adaptation decision I fully understand and agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,487 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Oh now wait! Dont be positive about PJ, Incanus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 2,011 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Theatrical ROTK should only have one ending.EE ROTK should have the full ending. that's about 20 minutes of extra footage! Fans would have creamed their pants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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