Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,739 Posted June 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2015 http://makingstarwars.net/2015/06/details-on-a-few-unique-tracks-from-star-wars-the-force-awakens-score/There is also a piece mentioned by multiple sources that is described as a cantilena, an operatic piece, with sustained lyrics dragged out over the melody. This piece is described as one of the most beautiful and emotional pieces of music John Williams have ever written for a Star Wars film and appears to be tied to the snow planet. I tried to get confirmation if this goes with the death of a hero, but I have not been able to get anyone to say conclusively yet. I tried!A lot of what has gone on for the film has been for sporadic sequences in the film but those sequences have covered a lot of different types of musical features than just the standard film score you would expect for a Star Wars film. One notable piece that everyone brings up is a jazzy swing/big band number that is supposedly really catchy. I presume that is for Maz’s pub sequence where Rey gets a bit tipsy, but no one would confirm the actual placement of tracks save for one sequence of the film involving the First Order.Marches have been recorded but so far there is no “Imperial March,” but the “First Order March” is very much the “thing” they are recording. Just to elaborate, it is not really called the “First Order March” but the new march is for the First Order sequences in the film and is not the classic theme associated with Darth Vader we know from the Original Trilogy. The sequence in question pertains to the “Parade Grounds” set where the First Order’s size and might is shown off and when their Star Destroyers approach the battle against the Resistance. Up to this point, the Imperial March has yet to be recorded in a big way, although that’s not to say it might be show up for a bar or two during a certain sequence with Kylo Ren in his chambers.What has been described as Rey’s introduction leitmotif was said to be Anakin’s Theme from The Phantom Menace meets Leia’s Theme from A New Hope. Admittedly this was the track with the most frustration to describe to me for our sources as it is the piece you would most expect from the scoring sessions. Sounds interesting, none the less.Most importantly, every one I’ve spoken to recently has reiterated that this soundtrack is brilliant so far and that Williams has topped himself. The amount of enthusiasm for this music is absurdly high amongst several sources. The people I’ve spoken to are not new to this field or working with composers of Williams caliber. When they gush, it is extremely noteworthy. All have said that Williams has nailed the score for Star Wars: The Force Awakens and it is going to be a special collection of music. The word is that J.J. Abrams is really good at explaining what he has in mind musically and the partnership Abrams and Williams have formed is paying off big time. But lets not forget, there is still a lot of recording left to do. Right now the buzz is palpable and I’m dying to hear these tracks myself. Bayesian, Marian Schedenig, Cerebral Cortex and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,818 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Well doesn't that sound nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,902 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Gee whiz, that sounds lovely.Williams is yet to write a march in the Star Wars films that isn't iconic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,723 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Is there any reason to believe any of this is true and not just made up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 5,147 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I have wasted a bit too much time on SW7 sites. Makingstarwars has been accurate with most of its scoops. So, I would say it is likely, but obviously not certainly, true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,902 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Has a John Williams score ever turned out to be a disappointment when he, essentially, worked to his own deadline?We know what happens when he has no time to write (Chamber of Secrets) but his output is usually much more fragrant and textured when his deadlines are relaxed and he can refine his writing.He's certainly never had a film score with a 10 month writing/recording schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,723 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I have wasted a bit too much time on SW7 sites. Makingstarwars has been accurate with most of its scoops. So, I would say it is likely, but obviously not certainly, true. Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,461 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Williams has topped himself.Oh god no. Noooooooooo Omen II and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,081 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN! CHOO-CHOO! Disappointment HERE WE COME! Tickets! Tickets! Have your tickets ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,818 Posted June 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2015 I'll follow you on my handcar of moderate expectations thank you! ChrisAfonso, Jay and Marian Schedenig 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 856 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN! CHOO-CHOO! Disappointment HERE WE COME! Tickets! Tickets! Have your tickets ready! Incanus and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 966 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Is there any reason to believe any of this is true and not just made up?Remember, it's not a lie....if you believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,440 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Truth is an abstract construct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 966 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Wait, what?"The previous rumors are indeed correct. It is important to note that while Ross is conducting, Williams wrote the vast majority of the music"Why wouldn't he have written all of the music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BLUMENKOHL 1,081 Posted June 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2015 LOOKS LIKE OUR FIRST STOP ON THE WAY TO DISAPPOINTMENT IS FEAR! John Williams has only written a majority of the music! Next Stop: UNCERTAINTY! Sharkissimo, Cerebral Cortex and Code 000. Destruct. 0. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,723 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I am completely positive John Williams wrote and orchestrated 100% of all the music written so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 966 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 No doubt, it's just a strange way to word that sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,081 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I am completely positive John Williams wrote and orchestrated 100% of all the music written so far.But what about the music not written so far? What if the music written so far is only 70% of all the music in the movie?! Boy golly gee, this sounds like Chamber of Secrets all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 629 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I don't see why Williams wouldn't have written 100% of the music if he's going to attend all the recording sessions and is doing the majority of the conducting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,723 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 He obviously did! The article is wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,440 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I am completely positive John Williams wrote and orchestrated 100% of all the music written so far.Whats your evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,723 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 What's yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,260 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I am completely positive John Williams wrote and orchestrated 100% of all the music written so far.But what about the music not written so far? What if the music written so far is only 70% of all the music in the movie?! Boy golly gee, this sounds like Chamber of Secrets all over again. I wish it were 1985 or 1993. It doesn't matter though. Williams is the master, far better than any modern hack could ever hope to be. But I haven't listened to any of his scores in so long, LOLOL! Isn't that crazy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,461 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 LOOKS LIKE OUR FIRST STOP ON THE WAY TO DISAPPOINTMENT IS FEAR! John Williams has only written a majority of the music! Next Stop: UNCERTAINTY!Luckily for me I'm immune to that needy OCD BS then isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,358 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Holy cow. What an amazing thing to wake up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,723 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I'm dubious about a lot of what's said in this article! BuzzLightyear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzLightyear 143 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 We should keep calm and wait for official statements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,212 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 True or false, I was never dubious that this combo, John/JJ would be failure. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,780 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Really like these concepts so it'd be cool if this is accurate, but I'm gonna have to try not to fantasize about it too much in case it's completely wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,739 Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 Really like these concepts so it'd be cool if this is accurate, but I'm gonna have to try not to fantasize about it too much in case it's completely wrong...The site has been proven right time and time again so I wouldn't be too worried about this news being fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 629 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I think we were expecting some of what this article has stated, such as a theme for Rey and a First Order march. They seemed to have recorded a lot already. Although, I don't know how they can say Williams has topped himself without hearing the whole score. I have no doubt Williams will deliver a fine score, especially considering how long he's worked on it. I'm very curious about the "cantilena, an operatic piece, with sustained lyrics dragged out over the melody." Would that kind of be like Qui-Gon's Funeral? If it's tied to one of our OT heroes, surely Williams would have integrated his or her theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,260 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Really like these concepts so it'd be cool if this is accurate, but I'm gonna have to try not to fantasize about it too much in case it's completely wrong...The site has been proven right time and time again so I wouldn't be too worried about this news being fake.It's not an issue of fakeness, but of how equipped someone is to interpret things to accurately report on them.(and if they can do so without editorializing with needless hyperbole) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,256 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Why wouldn't he have written all of the music?Because he's topped himself. It said it on the bleddy intronats so it must be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 5,147 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Really like these concepts so it'd be cool if this is accurate, but I'm gonna have to try not to fantasize about it too much in case it's completely wrong...The site has been proven right time and time again so I wouldn't be too worried about this news being fake.It's not an issue of fakeness, but of how equipped someone is to interpret things to accurately report on them.(and if they can do so without editorializing with needless hyperbole)That is a good point, but some things still come through as informative, such as the use of choir, a new march, a new theme for Rey, a new Jazz-styled piece. Nothing earth-shattering, but fun nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,780 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Really like these concepts so it'd be cool if this is accurate, but I'm gonna have to try not to fantasize about it too much in case it's completely wrong...The site has been proven right time and time again so I wouldn't be too worried about this news being fake.It's not an issue of fakeness, but of how equipped someone is to interpret things to accurately report on them.(and if they can do so without editorializing with needless hyperbole)Yeah, that's more what I meant. I admit that I can have a tendency to get dragged along by hyperbole and I don't want to go off and start turning this "gorgeous, most beautiful and operatic Star Wars music ever" into the heart of the score in my head when maybe it's really just a lovely, fleeting 30 second highlight of a cue that captured everyone's attention and actually has nothing to do with snow planet imagery. I've had times where I've had to readjust my assumptions and expectations upon hearing a score or watching a movie because the rumors were misguided and it's annoying and a silly thing to have to do.Plus MakingStarWars may have real scoops but the guy running it isn't actually an insider and merely has friends who tell him things, or possibly they're friends of friends. So it's still like playing the telephone game, especially when describing music. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 The majority could be referring to some source cues. Is Joseph Williams in AI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,739 Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 Yeah, that's more what I meant. I admit that I can have a tendency to get dragged along by hyperbole and I don't want to go off and start turning this "gorgeous, most beautiful and operatic Star Wars music ever" into the heart of the score in my head when maybe it's really just a lovely, fleeting 30 second highlight of a cue that captured everyone's attention and actually has nothing to do with snow planet imagery. I've had times where I've had to readjust my assumptions and expectations upon hearing a score or watching a movie because the rumors were misguided and it's annoying and a silly thing to have to do.Plus MakingStarWars may have real scoops but the guy running it isn't actually an insider and merely has friends who tell him things, or possibly they're friends of friends. So it's still like playing the telephone game, especially when describing music. That's true. Also, it might be best to add "RUMORED" to the thread title to avoid confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 629 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Should the rumored score details from here be added to the first post to keep everything together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,723 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Eh, just quote the most interesting parts from there for us, will ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 629 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Okie dokie. http://thecantina.starwars7news.com/index.php?threads/soundtrack-names.2944/From my private instructor, who is a good friend of one of the musicians in the orchestra which is recording the soundtrack next week, I have received some interesting info from the score.Apparently, there is a theme (for a person, place or thing (think Force Theme, Leia's theme etc.)) that appears throughout the score in three different variations. One is very bold, brave and sort of heroic, one is very mild and careful, and one is dark and written in a minor scale, leaning towards the feeling of Imperial March.The last piece of the score is said to be Luke's theme, starting small and slowly building up - ending in a grandiose piece with the entire orchestra, before launching off into the familiar End Titles.Of course, they only have codes for names, but my source recognizes much, including the main theme (duh), some of the attack music from the OT, and one interesting detail: Yoda's theme seem to be included in one of the pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,974 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 LOL.Don't buy any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 966 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Based solely on the quotes from the first post, I'm very excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,739 Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 LOL.Don't buy any of that.Yeah. That one does sound pretty vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,358 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 The last piece of the score is said to be Luke's theme, starting small and slowly building up - ending in a grandiose piece with the entire orchestra, before launching off into the familiar End Titles.It'd be interesting if Williams withheld himself from using the Force theme except for little bits and pieces of it throughout the film (much like Arnold and the Bond theme for Casino Royale) but then, at the very end, you get to hear it in all its glory. Could prove to be quite magical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 5,147 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 The Force theme is not Luke's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,358 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 Yeah, I realize that. Sorry, for some reason I thought the original post was saying Force theme, since that is what most of the Star Wars movies have ended with. I think the original poster on MakingStarWars meant the Force theme as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,440 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 So the film ends with Luke's theme, which is the SW main theme, and then the credits starts with the SW main theme, which is Luke's theme.I don't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,358 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 That's why I'm assuming he meant the Force theme instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,723 Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 The musicians playing these scores are instructed not to talk about this kind of stuff with anyone. They risk losing their jobs by sharing this stuff. Which is more reason for me to not believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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