Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Every few days I will post a thread on a random score from my collection that we can discuss and rate. I made a playlist on my computer with one track of each score I've got, so by using the random play option, I'll be able to post a truly random score each time. Hopefully this will allow us to discuss some scores that would otherwise never be discussed. Also we can record the rating so that we can create a full list of the ratings given to scores by JWFan.com.Today's score is Krull by James Horner. Are you familiar with it? What do you like about it? What don't you like about it? How do do you think it works in the film? What are your favourite tracks?You can base your opinion on whatever release(s) of the score you've heard. So far JWFan has rated:Zathura by John Debney: 3,17 stars - 16 votes - 10 unfamiliarRambo III by Jerry Goldsmith: 3,62 stars - 18 votes - 5 unfamiliarStar Trek X: Nemesis by Jerry Goldsmith: 3,03 stars - 37 votes - 8 unfamiliarThe Sea Hawk by Erich Wolfgang Korngold: 4,60 stars - 31 votes - 11 unfamiliarIndependence Day by David Arnold: 4,10 stars - 46 votes - 5 unfamiliar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I love it.. and was very happy to able to obtain the 2 CD Album at our local used item market for about 9€ lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I haven't listen to it for a long time, but remember liking it very much. I must listen to it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 523 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Five stars - one of Horner's best. The less said about the film the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I loved it when I first heard it. However, upon listening to it recently, I found the theme to be quite annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Absolutely one of the best of Horner, also one of the best scores in general. So reckless, so sweet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,787 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 (no relation to previous posts, just topic matter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odnurega1 0 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 It's not my favorite, but I do listen to it occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldsmithFanatic2000+ 0 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Well, apart from its undersized sound... This is a classic Horner score. The film itself was fun, but also really quite bad.4 stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Oh my god, pick a score that's not my cuppa tea for once!5 stars. Classic Horner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toontje 0 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Hmm not really sure if I can say I'm familiar with it. I know the score because a few tracks were part of the queue music of the original space mountain in disneyland paris. The love theme, Epilog and the Ride of the Firemares. Those tracks are brilliant but I don't think I can base my opinion on about 8 minutes of music so I'll be undecided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,051 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I'll give it 4 stars.The 2 disc set is nice but a bit of an overkill. The 70 minute album that was released would be enough.However I wouldn't trade the 2 disc set for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I even bought the DVD because of the music. I watched it once and I am not sure when I will watch again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 5, 2008 Author Share Posted May 5, 2008 I think it's a good score with some excellent parts. I especially like the first track. "Ride of the Fire Mares" and "Battle of the Parapets" are also really nice. The score hasn't entirely won me over though, so I'll give it four stars.I actually thought the movie was quite fun. Not brilliant, but it wasn't quite as bad as people's comments had led me to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,612 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 5 starsBest Horner score ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Actually I was about to write has King Mark voted yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I'll give it 4 stars. A very good Horner score if somewhat too exuberant at times. Sometimes there is just too much brass in there. I pity the poor players who had to blast those fanfares all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 To me the orchestra does not do its job as good as it has to. I very much would like to hear a new version with LSO & Horner conducting. I do not say that it ruins the score not at all, but there are some moments like Ride of the Firemares, in which some trumpet parts seemed to be too challenging for the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 7,995 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Seriously, could we have these threads with .5 star ratings available? This would be another 3.5 star score for me. A great if simple theme, some great moments (plus some Wagner and Strauss stuff), but overall too simplified orchestrations. It sounds too ambitious, if that makes sense - it sounds like Horner really tried to give everything but couldn't fully deliver (with Willow, he did - save for the Schumann stuff).I'll give it a 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesker 0 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Seriously, could we have these threads with .5 star ratings available? This would be another 3.5 star score for me. A great if simple theme, some great moments (plus some Wagner and Strauss stuff), but overall too simplified orchestrations. It sounds too ambitious, if that makes sense - it sounds like Horner really tried to give everything but couldn't fully deliver (with Willow, he did - save for the Schumann stuff).I'll give it a 3.I disagree. I actually found it the opposite- Willow in it's theme is too simplistic, whereas Krull had a very well drawn out theme, albight used with an over-emphasis upon drama at times. A solid 4/5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 5, 2008 Author Share Posted May 5, 2008 I can do .5 star ratings next time. Or we can just rate out of 10 like they do for grading exams and projects in The Netherlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 523 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 It sounds too ambitious, if that makes sense - it sounds like Horner really tried to give everything but couldn't fully deliver (with Willow, he did - save for the Schumann stuff).Horner wrote Krull in a very short space of time and nearly hospitalised himself in the process. There wasn't much time available to rehearse or to record (and the length of cues didn't help matters), hence the rough performance in places. I'd like to hear a decent re-recording!(I'd also like an expanded Willow but that's a topic for another thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 This is a five star score on it's own. Again, like The Sea Hawk, what was Horner thinking for this movie(granted having only seen the movie once in 1983 and then re-visiting the first 30 minutes a few years ago I may not be an authority on its use in the film)? The main title on the CD is fantastic and bears no relation to the on-screen events. Later, as the hero scales a mountain and large rocks are falling at him, we get the happiest music possible! Dreadful!So 5 stars for the CD on it's own....2 stars since it's all wrong for the movie.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Heh, heh, I just happened to listen to Krull again today.The main theme is stupendously fantastic. The love theme is, well, lovely. The 2 disc set has a bit of trouble holding my interest throughout, however.4 Stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 7,995 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I disagree. I actually found it the opposite- Willow in it's theme is too simplistic, whereas Krull had a very well drawn out theme, albight used with an over-emphasis upon drama at times. A solid 4/5.It's the overly "basic" rhythm in the Krull theme that puts it down a notch in my book. And the already mentioned cheap orchestrations. I didn't know Horner had so little time for this - it explains a lot, but doesn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Just heard this score for the first time yesterday, and haven't been able to listen to anything else since. It's definitely Horner at the top of his fantasy/sci-fi game, and has that great recklessly exuberant sound he used to do so well. Not sure if it's a 4 or 5 star score, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and go with 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 its by the LSO right? Horner seems to use them a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Don't hate me Danielle, but Krull gets two thumbs down.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle 0 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 The main title on the CD is fantastic and bears no relation to the on-screen events. Later, as the hero scales a mountain and large rocks are falling at him, we get the happiest music possible! Dreadful!I don't think I'll ever be able to figure out what your reasoning is for this! The credits are just that - credits. It's like complaining that the Star Wars Main Title is too bombastic to accompany a bunch of writing scrolling up the screen. Second point... The music for the rocks falling is by no means happy and largely dialed out in the film, and if anything, it's the way the the music is very clumsily dialed back in as the rock fall stops that makes it seem inappropriate. Again, I just can't fault Horner for anything he did with Krull, he knocked it out of the ballpark. Why would I hate you for attacking the film anyway? It's a turkey, but I'm fond of it. Much like you are for 1941. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 7, 2008 Author Share Posted May 7, 2008 I watched Krull very recently and the opening credits music stood out to me as accompanying the film very well, actually. First there's the Main Title, which is just the main theme in heroic form (even though there's an evil space ship approaching; I don't care though, since the film hasn't really started yet) and then the music turns dark when there's evil dudes on screen and there's heroic traveling music when the main character is seen traveling.4,42 stars for this one on average now. Wow. Didn't expect it to rate that high. I listen to this one some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 One star. What a loud. If I had had fore knowledge of what the score was going to be, I'd have skipped it alltogether.Some scores get far more praise than the realistically ever deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Some scores get far more praise than the realistically ever deserve.This thread is about Krull, not Lord of the Rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I really need to hear this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 7,995 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 4,42 stars for this one on average now. Wow. Didn't expect it to rate that high.I did. I think it's good, but overrated. Would be interesting to see a comparison poll for Brainstorm - now that's an early Horner masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 8, 2008 Author Share Posted May 8, 2008 Would be interesting to see a comparison poll for Brainstorm - now that's an early Horner masterpiece.I don't have that score, so I won't be posting a thread on it either. Feel free to do it yourself though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Five stars - one of Horner's best. The less said about the film the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Decide for yourself: does the main title music in Krull really match the on-screen action?Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 7,995 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 It sounds like Horner score only the text credits without the visuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,051 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Well like Jim Ware mentioned earlier, Horner was in a rush to complete this score and became very ill during the process.After reading the liner notes I imagine the whole production on the film was not exactly structured. Sounds like they were in a mad dash to the finish line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 It sounds like someone copied WRATH OF KHAN.Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,266 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Decide for yourself: does the main title music in Krull really match the on-screen action?NeilYou're quite right. That's an awful match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Decide for yourself: does the main title music in Krull really match the on-screen action?NeilHaha, yeah that's pretty bad. It's like the director suddenly decided in post that he wanted the scene to be happy instead of ominous and asked Horner to change it with the score. Awesome music, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex 5 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Actually watching the film might damage your listening experience, it almost happened to me. So let us not think the score as a part of this awful movie but enjoy the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 7,995 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Haha, yeah that's pretty bad. It's like the director suddenly decided in post that he wanted the scene to be happy instead of ominous and asked Horner to change it with the score. Awesome music, though.More like the visuals were added after Horner had already scored a text-only version. I guess with him falling ill, that might just be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 Decide for yourself: does the main title music in Krull really match the on-screen action?NeilYou're quite right. That's an awful matchI imagine putting a Star Destroyer (or the Death Star) lumbering behind the Star Wars opening crawl would yield a similar disjointing match....What a terrible thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 10, 2008 Author Share Posted May 10, 2008 It sounds like Horner score only the text credits without the visuals.My thoughts exactly. It didn't bother me one bit. I can understand why some people think it inappropriate, but I actually like the fact that the music starts out happy and heroic during the opening credits, rather than dark and ominous. In a way it actually works very well because of the contrast that's created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 I agree with Neil, great music, but it does not match that scene at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 where our hero has to stick his arm in bubbly, smoky, fiery lava. But first, he better make sure his sleeve is rolled up because he wouldn't want to ruin his shirt!Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Seems perfectly reasonable too me.And Jamie's music does fit here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted May 10, 2008 Share Posted May 10, 2008 Oh yeah, no complaints about the music there.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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